The Goat Pen

eCat wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 2:26 pm

hedge wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 2:09 pm "That first bs conviction for something low level often makes the person unemployable / limits where he / she can work"

Thanks god grain elevators don't care...

I've always meant to ask you this

what do you think you'd be doing without that past history at this point in your life?

Probably would be dead...

eh, didn't you have plans to finish college, get a degree in something - I'm guessing liberal arts like a lame ass history teacher or something

IB. I think I'll take it from hedge when it comes to San Francisco. Not to mention how clueless you are about the homeless you miserable fuck.

"I happen to understand a little bit (not much, just a little bit) about what it is like to live in San Francisco."

Uh, yeah, so do I, I lived there for most of the 1990's. Maybe it's gotten "worse," but I've been back several times and it seemed pretty much the same. Yes, there are areas where the homeless congregate. Guess what? Don't go to those areas. It's mostly around city hall anyway, so why would I go there even if the homeless weren't concentrated there? You do not see homeless people and the obvious other shit that accompanies them in the vast majority of neighborhoods and parks in SF. You do not see RV's parked all over the place. Sorry, but you just don't, regardless of what Tucker Carlson has told you. It's a great city, one of the best in the world. I'd love to move back there if I could afford it. Alas...

20-25% of homeless Americans have a mental illness and/or addiction. 30-35% for San Francisco. But yes, all the homeless are ill.

you'll see the RVs in the Bayview/Hunters Point area

"eh, didn't you have plans to finish college, get a degree in something"

I graduated from UNC before I got busted. BA in philosophy, baby. I actually probably wouldn't be dead, but who knows? A couple of my other drug dealer friends transitioned into restaurants, bars and real estate and have done extremely well for themselves, I like to think I would've joined them at that. I had about 100 grand right before I got busted, not bad for a 23 year old. Lost half of it in the product I got busted with (they didn't return it), around $20K for a lawyer and owed some money to some folks, so I was down to about $15K when I got out. Not terrible but would've been significantly higher if I hadn't gotten busted and kept dealing for a couple years. I like to think I would've gone in with my buddy's who transitioned from dealing to bars, then restaurants then rentals. They've definitely done better than I have, but I'm not complaining...

"you'll see the RVs in the Bayview/Hunters Point area"

Don't know about now, that area was basically a slum when I lived there. Had to slog thru there to get to Candlestick...

you were a unicorn in prison man

no white privilege for you

I worked on the stock exchange in SF as well. They didn't seem to care that I had a record. Of course my upward mobility in corporate America was always going to be limited. Not many CEO's or VP's with a felony drug record. But I doubt it would've hindered me from making a pretty good living if I hadn't gotten on the crack and smack. That shit put more of a kink in things than prison ever did. That's why I said I might be dead if I hadn't gotten busted, if I had gotten into that shit with more or less unlimited money supply, things could've gone a lot further south than they actually did...

sounds like you had an entrepreneurial spirit - Just being down the road from Silicon Valley, who knows - you might have been the guy that invented pets.com

eCat wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 3:52 pm you were a unicorn in prison man

no white privilege for you

Well, let's remember that the "prison" I was at was a Club Fed. Everybody in there was privileged, white or not, as far as being in prison goes...

yes the comments are gold

Jungle Rat wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 3:46 pm 20-25% of homeless Americans have a mental illness and/or addiction. 30-35% for San Francisco. But yes, all the homeless are ill.

Not all.

If you live in a van, roam the wilderness, post youtubes of your hot, nearly naked body as clickbait to get people to register for your content and monetize your ass, you are homeless but not mentally ill.



If you live in an RV and you go to work (as so many people in San Francisco currently do), you are homeless but not mentally ill.

If you live in an RV and you roam the country, (retired) you are homeless but not mentally ill.

If you live in an alley in a cardboard box, you are homeless AND mentally ill. Go anywhere, right now. Just get up, get off the sauce, stop doing the drugs, stop sucking cocks for $10 a pop, get a cheap motel room, shower, clean yourself up, walk down to McDonalds (tomorrow) and start work that day. The people that won't do that, it's because they can't do that. They live in the alley and continue using the drugs and sucking the cocks simply because they are mentally ill.

And don't start with me about how people who live in an RV have a home. If they have a home, then the cardboard box in the alley is a home.

hedge wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 3:42 pm "I happen to understand a little bit (not much, just a little bit) about what it is like to live in San Francisco."

Uh, yeah, so do I, I lived there for most of the 1990's. Maybe it's gotten "worse," but I've been back several times and it seemed pretty much the same. Yes, there are areas where the homeless congregate. Guess what? Don't go to those areas. It's mostly around city hall anyway, so why would I go there even if the homeless weren't concentrated there? You do not see homeless people and the obvious other shit that accompanies them in the vast majority of neighborhoods and parks in SF. You do not see RV's parked all over the place. Sorry, but you just don't, regardless of what Tucker Carlson has told you. It's a great city, one of the best in the world. I'd love to move back there if I could afford it. Alas...

Yes its very expensive to live there.

My wife's matron-of-honor at our wedding, she and her husband had a house on a hill on stilts near Berkley. She worked as a professor at Berkley and he worked as a computer scientist. They were members of some sailing club nearby. They took me sailing one day and I told my very pregnant wife "Honey I want to move here, immediately." She kept shaking her head to softly say no, she wished we could but no. We could never afford to live there no matter how much the two of us wanted that.

Yeah I get it.

Jungle Rat wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:06 pm "As far as the homeless go, the mentally ill will always be with us."

Okay fine. I get your point about what I said. Yes, the mentally ill will always be with us. But no one cares if homeless people live in their RVs or Vans. There is no great social cry for those unfortunate souls as there is for "the poor" and "the mentally ill." That is why I went and made those distinctions. I hope very much to be one of those homeless people in the next few years, counting on it.

Much like the term "single mom" I don't like the term "homeless." They are not descriptive enough. There is big difference between being a widow (who is a single mom) vs a 19 year old girl who never married who has two kids with two different dads.

"They took me sailing one day and I told my very pregnant wife "Honey I want to move here, immediately." She kept shaking her head to softly say no, she wished we could but no. We could never afford to live there no matter how much the two of us wanted that."

I'd say most people in the Bay Area would put up with a lot more than they currently have to endure if it will ensure keeping you out...

innocentbystander wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:10 pm

Jungle Rat wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:06 pm "As far as the homeless go, the mentally ill will always be with us."

Okay fine. I get your point about what I said. Yes, the mentally ill will always be with us. But no one cares if homeless people live in their RVs or Vans. There is no great social cry for those unfortunate souls as there is for "the poor" and "the mentally ill." That is why I went and made those distinctions. I hope very much to be one of those homeless people in the next few years, counting on it.

Much like the term "single mom" I don't like the term "homeless." They are not descriptive enough. There is big difference between being a widow (who is a single mom) vs a 19 year old girl who never married who has two kids with two different dads.

And now you know why I mostly ignore you.

innocentbystander wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 2:07 pm

eCat wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 2:00 pm I watch these videos on Youtube about this guy in New York who is a broker for apartments and he is show 200sq ft, 180sq ft apartments where the rent is $1100.

A decent 3 bedroom apartment in a desirable location is about $3500 a month

90 sq foot apartment



90. Yes, 9 foot by fucking 10 foot.

I am wondering, is this mental illness? LOL!

Maybe I'm claustrophobic, but I can sleep on a top bunk, but not one as close to the ceiling as that.