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[Jungle Rat]

Duh

[aTm]

You made it that far before doubting?

[Johnette's Daddy]

Looks like the gestapo got in contact w/Phil....apologizes for being rich.



California golfer Phil "Lefty" Mickelson says he will no longer publicly criticize the government for taking most of his paycheck. That's a shame. But even if it's now socially unacceptable for high achievers to suggest they should keep the fruits of their labor, that doesn't mean they will keep supplying that labor.

. . . The fan favorite who has won 40 events on the PGA tour described various state and federal levies and concluded that his tax rate now exceeds 60%. The sticker shock is understandable, now that President Obama has succeeded in raising the top income-tax rate this year to 39.6% from 35% and the top Medicare rate almost a full point to 3.8%. Meanwhile, Governor Jerry Brown persuaded Californians last fall to raise the top state income tax rate to 13.3% . . .

The general consensus amongst his Californian neighbors?

1 - He needs a better tax preparer.

2 - Get the fuck out.

3 - We'll help him pack if he pays us $1,000/hr.

[innocentbystander]

Oh, and Bluetick... since you brought up blacks...

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/33 ... h-goldberg

I think I was given a great benefit working my way though college when I was younger. In doing so, I had the unique opportunity (not given to most educated people) of actually working among the least educated. As a result, I gained a first-hand knowledge of understanding how the salt-of-the-earth live and how they think. In doing so, I was able to cut through all the bullshit and get right to the heart of the matter (as Don Henley so aptly put.)

You all know I worked in a warehouse while at Northeastern. I was night shift and eventually made my way to the day shift. The majority of the people that I worked with, at least one of the following was a true statement; they had an IQ below 85, they had a felony conviction, they didn't have a high school diploma, they used drugs recreationally, they suffered from alcoholism, or they had some combination of some/all of those. I (and a few others) were the outliers who didn't fit in those categories. Still, after working with them for several years, I eventually stopped being seen by them as the college kid and eventually won their respect (so much so that one of them brought in pictures of his young adult daughters in an effort for me to call them and ask for a date, socially.)

I had one co-worker in particular that I would like to mention with regards to this issue on blacks (and Jonah Goldberg's comments on that horrible essay at The Atlantic.) He was a Vietnam Veteran, very liberal, very atheist, line-voting Democrat. He was a good friend of mine, I could talk to him about pretty much anything. As someone who was a full generation older than I was, I gave him a great deal of respect. And I made the terrible mistake of believing that I actually knew him very well. How wrong I was! That was when I was given the biggest reality dope slap about liberalism that I had ever gotten. I'll cut to the chase. Here it is today, the 40th annaversary of Roe-vs-Wade. This liberal, atheist, Vietnam Veteran, this friend of mine asked me point blank, how could I be against abortion? How could someone as bright as I was be against something that he (in his liberal mind) saw as something that is absolutely critical for a civilized society? I said to him that I saw abortion as the murder of unborn human beings, the most horrible thing humanity could do itself, a ghastly enterprise wrought with evil. His response (and I quote)? "But what if some nigger-monkey raped my little sister and got her pregnant with some half-nigger-monkey, then wouldn't I want her to have the legal right to abort it?"

Anger. I was filled with anger at that question, but I was not angry with this Vietnam Vet. Oh no. I was angry with myself for believing that I knew him well, believing that I knew him as a wisdom-filled-man worthy of my respect and admiration. He most certainly was not.

But he did do me a great service. With that one question, that one all important question and the way he phrased it, it cleared up something that I kinda always believed but couldn't quite describe exactly, my belief that if you scratched a liberal you would find a bigot. And thus you have my foundation for understanding liberalism and the Democratic Party.

This didn't happen.

Yes it did.

[innocentbystander]

MLK's father was a Republican. In 1960, although privately admitted that he voted for Kennedy and that in the past he had always voted Democratic, he officially did not believe as leader of the movement that he should officially endorse either party. Because his father was a Republican, many assume that MLK was also a Republican.

Wrong again IB.

No. I am not wrong. You just don't like reality so you try to re-write history.

http://www.humanevents.com/2006/08/16/w ... epublican/

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 031AA3iTc4

Avelda King the niece of Martin Luther King Jr. wrote an amazing article, "A Covenant With Life: Reclaiming MLK's Legacy".

This is the most articulate piece I could find to substantiate the claim that Martin Luther King was a Republican. She claims her grandfather, Dr. martin Luther King, Sr. or "Daddy King", was a Republican and her father was a Republican.

Mrs. Coretta Scott King actually urged Nixon (who voted for the 1957 Civil Rights Law) to help her husband when he was facing a threatening jail encounter. Nixon did not respond, but JFK did & brought the attention of the nation to Dr. King's plight.

Because of this phone call & action by JFK, Martin Luther King Jr. was very grateful (Coretta Scott King was pregnant at the time) for JFK's intervention and urged 1000,000 black voters to cast previously Republican votes for Senator Kennedy even though Kennedy had voted against the 1957 Civil Rights Law.

This one simple act of gratitude caused black America to quickly forget that the Republican Party was the Civil Rights party and the the Democratic Party was the party of the Ku Klux Klan. It was the Republicans who started the NAACP to stop the Democrats from lynching blacks. It was the Republican President Eisenhower who sent troops to Arkansas to desegregate schools, established the Civil Rights Commission in 1958.

Democrats do not get MLK. He's ours, he was always Republican, fuck you.

[Toemeesleather]

The general consensus amongst his Californian neighbors?

1 - He needs a better tax preparer.

2 - Get the fuck out.

3 - We'll help him pack if he pays us $1,000/hr.


Stick it to the rich, hear'em squeal, yea baby.

4 MORE YEARZZZ11!!

[bluetick]

I read Phil's autobio this summer and I've always been a fan and always will be.

He's already no doubt been reminded by his agent/mgr/accountant(s) about his lucrative endorsement deals and why he should shut his piehole and leave the tax-whining to others.

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2013/01/2 ... -speaking/

[THE_WIZARD_]

You are a fucking nutcase.

Rat calling someone a nutcase? OK did you seriously just post that?

[innocentbystander]

You are a fucking nutcase.

Rat calling someone a nutcase? OK did you seriously just post that?

Rat is following liberalism rule #2.

[Johnette's Daddy]

This one simple act of gratitude caused black America to quickly forget that the Republican Party was the Civil Rights party and the the Democratic Party was the party of the Ku Klux Klan. It was the Republicans who started the NAACP to stop the Democrats from lynching blacks. It was the Republican President Eisenhower who sent troops to Arkansas to desegregate schools, established the Civil Rights Commission in 1958.[/color]

Democrats do not get MLK. He's ours, he was always Republican, fuck you.

Actually, "Daddy King" was Republican, until . . . http://blog.chron.com/lisafalkenberg/20 ... epublican/

And King’s father was a full-fledged Republican, as were many southern blacks before the 1960s.

“He’d been to Republican conventions and everything,” Branch said of Martin Luther King, Sr. “But that was not unusual for the time. You know, people just don’t have much historical sense because in the ’50s, in the South, there virtually were no Republicans. I don’t think there was a Republican officeholder between Houston and the Atlantic Ocean because ‘Republican’ meant Yankee. It was the party of Lincoln. And what the “solid south” meant was that it was solidly Democratic, and at least in the South, the Democrats were the party of segregation and the Republicans were the party of Lincoln.”

Branch continued: “Martin Luther King was sympathetic to the Republicans in his youth because Republicans were the party of Lincoln, even right up until 1960, in that Kennedy election.”

But King’s father’s own allegiance to the Republican party ended in 1960, when his son was jailed in a Georgia prison after being arrested for trespassing during a sit-in. King Sr. sought the help of John F. Kennedy, then a presidential candidate who was only a lukewarm supporter of civil rights, to get his son released.

The Kennedys succeeded and after the civil rights leader was freed, the elder King promised to deliver 10 million votes to Kennedy.

“And he did it in a way that embarrassed Dr. King,” Branch said. “Dr. King always loved his father but was always embarrassed by him. He was pretty crass and course. And he stood right up, Daddy King did, in a public rally and said ‘I was planning to support Nixon, I’ve been a life-long Republican, and I didn’t like Kennedy because he’s a Catholic, but now that he’s got my boy out of jail, I’ve got a whole suitcase full of votes and I’m going to go to Washington and dump them in his lap.’”

Barry Goldwater was the other game-changer, Branch said.

“The modern Southern Republican party sprang up instantly when Barry Goldwater, the Republican nominee, opposed the civil rights bill in the summer of ’64,” Branch said. “And that’s when you first started getting moderate Republican candidates in the South, in the Newt Gingrich school. It was created overnight.”

Branch continued: “The two parties reversed roles, at least in the South, in his lifetime, and most people aren’t aware of that and it sounds like this group (the Raging Elephants) is playing on people’s ignorance of that to try and create a false impression."

I read "Parting The Waters" back in 1990 and the book is fascinating.

Many Black Civil Rights leaders of the early 20th century were Republican (as I've stated before, my dad, father-in-law, grandfather and grandfather-in-law were all born in the deep South before WWII and voted straight Republican most of their lives. BHO was the first Democrat that my FIL voted for since JFK), but that 1964 election turned the GOP from the Party of Lincoln into the Party of Thurmond (switched from Democrat to GOP on September 16, 1964).

The backbone of the GOP hasn't been the dyed-in-the-wool conservatives, but the Dixiecrats who converted to the party largely over issues of race.

[Johnette's Daddy]

Interesting item from Strom Thurmond's Wiki page:

On February 4, 1972, Thurmond sent a secret memo to William Timmons (in his capacity as an aide to Richard Nixon) and United States Attorney General John N. Mitchell, with an attached file from the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee urging that British musician John Lennon (living in New York City at the time) be deported from the United States as an undesirable alien, due to Lennon's political views and activism. The document claimed that Lennon's influence on young people could affect Nixon's chances of re-election, and suggested that terminating Lennon's visa might be "a strategy counter-measure". Thurmond's memo and attachment, received by the White House on February 7, 1972, initiated the Nixon administration's persecution of John Lennon that threatened the former Beatle with deportation for nearly five years from 1972 to 1976. The documents were discovered in the FBI files after a Freedom of Information Act search by Professor Jon Wiener, published in Weiner's book Gimme Some Truth: The John Lennon FBI Files (2000),[17] and are discussed in the documentary film The U.S. vs. John Lennon (2006).

[bluetick]

Rat is following liberalism rule #2.

You can't seriously be accusing rat of following Liberalism Rule #2. At various times he may have crossed the line of LR #1, LR #6, or even LR #22(a), but he roller-skated by LR #2 with feet to spare.

I accuse you, sir, of trying to reframe the PNN argument against rat. You are a notorious reframer.

For that, I must shun you. You MADE me do it. YOU. DID. THIS.

I have to go pee-pee, but when I return I will shun you some more.

[aTm]

The idea of a Dixiecrat is conservative. They supported conserving the social and traditional status quo in the south. The didn't switch from being liberal Dems to being conservative republicans. IBs idea that 50 years ago the political parties remotely represent what they do now on a conservative-liberal scale is nuts.

[aTm]

MLK was a liberal. The very definition of a liberal crusading for change against the cultural and political status quo. Arguing that he might have been republican and thus "conservative" is wrong. He probably had many conservative ideas and thoughts sure, but what he is known for, civil rights, he is on the liberal side against the conservatives.

[Toemeesleather]

From what I remember, not much, MLK was pro-union and anti-war/military...I believe he was marching w/sanitation union in Memphis....and this...

A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual doom.

[innocentbystander]

The idea of a Dixiecrat is conservative. They supported conserving the social and traditional status quo in the south. The didn't switch from being liberal Dems to being conservative republicans. IBs idea that 50 years ago the political parties remotely represent what they do now on a conservative-liberal scale is nuts.

The idea of a Dixiecrat is wounded pride. These were Blue Dog Democrats who might have wanted to be Republican (maybe) were it not for the fact that the South lost the war and Abraham Lincoln was a Republican. Even so, too many of the beliefs that these Dixiecrats had (particularly with regards to race) did not make them fit with the Republican Party. If you asked your average Dixiecrat in 1955 (or even 1965), he or she would most certainly have seen black folk as little more than slaves. That was NEVER-EVER a Republican belief. The GOP always saw all people of all complexions equal under the law.

I don't have to tell you things were slow to progress in the South. If you were a black man that lived on the East coast of Florida (even as late as the mid 1980s), you might have had a very difficult time crossing the intercoastal bridges to get to the A-1A where all the white college girls were partying on Spring Break in Daytona or Ft Lauderdale. It was very dangerous for them. The Southern shit-kicker, college, white boys (in keeping black boys away from the white women) would have ganged up and kicked their asses right into ocean.

As far as MLK goes, let me just say this. I don't care what his position was in 1958 or 1963 or any year for that matter on the military industrial complex and where he saw government spending priorities. All I care about is what he would say over and over and over again: you want to change the system, it starts with peaceful, non-violent, protest.

Peaceful.

Contrast that with the radical left wing Democrat assholes of 1968 like Abbie Hoffman and his ilk. There was absolutely NOTHING peaceful about their idea of protest, not in the least, certainly not in Chicago. You think MLK would have EVER been a part of the Black Panther Party? Not on your life.

The Republican Party is all about peaceful, non-violent, protest. That is why pro-lifers who protest at abortion clinics are so comfortable being labeled Republicans. They know that the GOP has their back and will do whatever it can to allow them to continue to protest at women's clinics PEACEFULLY. It is infact LIBERALS (and Democrats) that do all that they can (legally) to prevent these forms or peaceful non-violnet protest because abortion is liberalism's religion. That is their faith and nothing is allowed to get in the way of that (not even the First Amendment of the United States.) MLK (were he alive today) would be there at the abortion clinics protesting right next to all the Republicans.

[bluetick]

The most compelling argument for King being a republican is the documented fact that his father was a member of the GOP. No such document supports any party affiliation for King. His two living siblings and two children are registered dems (the third sibling is deceased and was also a dem, as was his wife Coretta Scott King).

Probably the most twisted reason given for MLK being republican is the fact that his assassin, James Earl Ray, was an ardent supporter of the notorious segregationist presidential candidate George Wallace - a democrat.

[aTm]

A political party is just people. It is not a tangible thing or an ideology. If the racists switch from the Democrat side to the Republican side then they are still racists and now the racists are Republicans.

[DooKSucks]

IB:

Were those pro-lifers who blew up clinics peaceful? Are the right wing nuts in Montana and Idaho peaceful?

MLK was very liberal. He supported policies like reparations and other redistributionist policies. He wanted more government intervention, not less. He preached personal responsibility, but he believed in an active social welfare state. Look at his fucking writings and speeches, you dense mother fucker.

Also, you don't know a goddamned thing about the South and its politics. Hell, most "Dixiecrats"/Southern Republicans are all for government intervention when it benefits them. They're some of the most hypocritical fuckers on earth. They scream about small government but don't mind the government intervening when they want it.

Hell, the grandson of Harry Dent is a good friend of mine. I went to law school with him. I have forgotten more about politics in this region than you will ever fucking know. So, go take a pistol, load it, put it in your mouth and pull the trigger. Hell, you will probably fuck that up. So, just go stand in front of a train.

[hedge]

"The Republican Party is all about peaceful, non-violent, protest."

Dear god...

"A political party is just people. It is not a tangible thing or an ideology."

You can say the same thing about IB...