Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

[Professor Tiger]

Speaking of Gitmo, I think the Iraq War ended yesterday. That might be worth commenting on.

Did we win?

[Jungle Rat]

Yep.

[Owlman]

I'm sure you guys would accept all assurances that they didn't really mean it.

Now?? Absolutely not, since they actually did go to war with Iraq. But of course, that is a false analogy. In 2002, if they had made subsequent statements to the effect that essentially disavowed the previous statement and they didn't have a pattern of saying the opposite depending on the election (to distinguish from Romney), there would have been no reason to believe it.

[Professor Tiger]

So (apart from Rat's usual eloquence), no comment on the Iraq war...

...interesting...

[GBJs]

http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/ ... 03932.html

Here's a reason for unions.

[10ac]

http://nation.foxnews.com/congress/2011 ... t-bulb-ban

How many stockpiled light bulbs?

[Hacksaw]

"...if they had made subsequent statements to the effect that essentially disavowed the previous statement and they didn't have a pattern of saying the opposite depending on the election (to distinguish from Romney), there would have been no reason to believe it."

lmao

[Hacksaw]

"All the recorded statements oprama's made since then have him backing off singe-payer. Even going back to 2004 he told the AP that 'government should be the healthcare provider of last resort.'

But whatever. He said it once, so he can't change his mind, right?"

He didn't just say once that he thought it was a good idea. He went on to outline his view of how it would have to be done. And downplaying it in subsequent interviews would be consistent with his stated belief that it would have to be a long, slow process. That's the part that makes his later assurances less than credible. Hence the uncertainty.

I know you wish like hell that he had never been recorded saying what he really felt. But he did. Sucks for you.

[puterbac]

Repeal Oprama care and you eliminate a HUGE amount of uncertainty

Can someone explain what the uncertainty is with PPACA?

How will he law affect biz decisions in the future?

What will the actual regulations be from dozens of boards that have been created? Nobody knows but they aren't elected and they get to make the rules.

How many more biz than anticipated will drop coverage and increase the rolls and therefore increase the costs enormously? Of course that is the lib goal.

How much will it cost to have an employee on the books? Nobody knows hence no hiring.

How much more expensive is private ins going to be? I know ours has gone up and for less benefits than last year.

A few for starters.

[puterbac]

You're making way too much sense, puter.

No doubt. Especially the part about how the payroll tax cut extension "isn't really a tax cut that is going to help the economy."

If only you could call it something else...like a rebate, maybe. And then stick dubya's name on it somewhere. Then - magically - it would become a major boon to the economy...a master stroke of stimulus strategery.

You gotta love it. Puter cheerleads with all his might for extending tax cuts for the "job creators" - even while they have mega-billions of cash sitting on the sidelines while they purport to try to "figure out how the future will unfold." When all they've really done is figure out how to produce more with less U.S. manpower.

But tax cut extensions for working people - fuck that, right? They must not need it - since this holiday buying season has been successful beyond anyone's expectations. Although come to think of it - people DID have that extra takehome pay to spend...thanks to the payroll tax cut of 2011.

that really didn't help the economy - LOL

Lol at working people comment. Classic stuff.

Taking money from SS isn't real smart and it's fucking temporary. Temporary doesn't have an affect on job growth. People don't hire full time permanent employees based on a one year tax break.

W's rebates were gimmicky as well but the first was a tax rate reduction for at least 10 years but was paid out in advance. 15% bracket to 10%.

But hey I guess class warfare suits u better

[bluetick]

Lol at working people comment. Classic stuff.

No doubt you would find that funny. You're flush; you wouldn't miss that grand next year.

The people who would miss it only have themselves to blame, right?

Taking money from SS isn't real smart and it's fucking temporary. Temporary doesn't have an affect on job growth. People don't hire full time permanent employees based on a one year tax break.

Get real. The payroll tax cut is a temporary relief measure for wage earners - it has nothing to do with job creation.

I mean, if that's your only criteria for worthiness - when you file your taxes, why don't you pass on all those exemptions and credits. Hell, the child tax credit never created a job that I can see..

But hey I guess class warfare suits u better

I guess so...at least until I can breathe that rarified air you seem to enjoy.

[Professor Tiger]

Lol at working people comment. Classic stuff.

working class
n.
The socioeconomic class consisting of people who work for wages, especially low wages, including unskilled and semiskilled laborers and their families.
working-class (wûrkng-kls) adj.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

[GBJs]

With that definition of working class, I don't think I'll ever be middle class. Does this mean I have to start thinking the government should pay for everything for me? I'm already half way there since I asked that question I must be willing to let the government think for me. </sarcasm>

[Professor Tiger]

I'm just saying the term "working class" is well-established enough in the language that it's in the dictionary. It basically refers to people who don't earn much money. I'm still not sure why the mere mention of "working class" in a post gets puter so upset.

[Professor Tiger]

We haven't been gone even a week, and the Iraqi government is already falling apart at the ethnic and sectarian seams:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/17/world/mea ... ?hpt=hp_t1

[Hacksaw]

Can we all just at least agree that if you don't resent wealthy people, then there's definitely something wrong with you?

[Jungle Rat]

Now I know why you hate me.

[Dr. Strangelove]

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[AlabamAlum]

Not Tom Tomorrow. Aarrrggggh.

[Hacksaw]

:::scroooollllll:::