Alabama Crimson Tide

[Professor Tiger]

The military pension is good. The federal one is better. Social security waiting for when I feel like taking it. Plus Thrift Savings Plan, all in T-bills, therefore unaffected by the stock market.

How’s your retirement plan shaping up?

[DooKSucks]

FERS is better than retired military pay for a Major with 20+ years active duty? I must be missing something. If you retired as a major with 20 years of service in 2002, you would be receiving around $3,250.00-$3,500.00 per month in military retirement pay. you must have retired at 20 in your early 40's years ago and then hit the 50% mark at FBP without hitting 20 years due to some sort of floating deal with age versus years of service (given fbp/law enforcement having different retirement ages). I practice family law and have done so for ten years in two military towns. So, I have divided up my fair share of military retirements and FERS retirements as well, including FBP retirees like yourself. I'm not doubting you, but I haven't seen a FBP retiree with a FERS that's considerably better than that monthly check from the DFAS teet. Please elaborate because I am curious as to how much a damn prison chaplain makes in the FBP. It must be close to six figures and thus GS-12 or higher.

I'm sure Prof is getting VA disability too. Heck, if you have sleep apnea when you retire from the military, that's a fifty percent disability rating for VA purposes. You can get close to $3,300.00 in VA disability (I know you must be getting at least $2k per month because you get that for sneezing hard), and it's tax free. That's on top of his military retirement, but don't worry: I'm not going to delve into CRDP versus CRSC, Prof.

I will give an example from a hearing I had to sit through recently (pre-pandemic) before my hearing started (and since this isn't my client or case, I am. not violating confidentiality). These were the figures presented, and given my experience, the figures are not exaggerated. The husband is a retired E-9 (highest enlisted rank; Sergeant Major in the Army) with 30+ years of service (the amount needed to hit 75% of the average of your highest three years in the service if you entered between 80-86...100% at 40 years) and not even so much as an associates degree who receives the following:
1) a pension well in excess of $60,000.00 per year;
2) nearly $40,000.00 per year TAX FREE for a 100% VA disability rating; and wait for it...
3) PLUS a $84,000.00 per year civil service job despite the fact that the federal government has declared him to be disabled;
4) Add on top of that free health care and having two forms of government provided health insurance that will combine to insure he will never pay a medical bill.

If this gentlemen was self employed, he would need to earn at least $235,000.00 per year (rough estimate) to have the type of disposable income that this person's current government payments provide, and the guy would need to pay for high end insurance that will still have a deductible and still not provide as much coverage. Plus, that $235k amount does not include the amount the person would need to save and invest each year for a retirement on par with his current lifestyle.

So, let's summarize: Prof is receiving health insurance free of charge from two separate government programs and over $100,000.00 per year in government income, but Prof is a self proclaimed conservative libertarian who hates socialism, welfare, big government, social security, universal healthcare, etc.

[hedge]

So basically Prof is a huge welfare whore. Makes sense...

[Professor Tiger]

My military pension is from the reserves. The calculation includes 12 reserve duty and 8 years active duty. I'm not on any kind of disability. The two pensions don't add up to $100K. But if I take SS at 67, which is extremely likely, then it might add up to $100K.

That's a bargain to the taxpayer for my valuable services.

[hedge]

A bullet in your skull would be the real bargain...

[Professor Tiger]

DS, if you're so jealous of my retirement, you can get one just like it. First, join the Army, go to OCS to get your commission (not direct commission as a JAG), serve in the reserves for awhile, then go on active duty, get assigned to Ft. Bragg, go to Airborne school, deploy to a war zone. After 8 years active duty, go back to the reserves, deploy to a war zone a second time, then finish up your 20 years.

Just remember, every day you're active or reserves, you'll have to meet the following physical fitness requirements:

https://www.military.com/military-fitne ... aining-pft

And the following height/WEIGHT (did I mention weight?) standards:

http://www.apft-standards.com/height-an ... ards/male/

From what I hear about your physique, good luck with that.

Then work in the Federal Bureau of Prisons for 20 years. Don't be a lawyer in an office far away from inmates. You've gotta be in a real prison - at least a medium security FCI or high security USP - (not a lady-part low security Camp like hedge was at) - and spend 20 years, all day, every day, surrounded by guys like this: https://www.foxnews.com/us/authorities- ... ped-inmate

You do that, DS, and you'll have the same retirement I have.

[hedge]

Sounds like socialism to me...

[DooKSucks]

My military pension is from the reserves. The calculation includes 12 reserve duty and 8 years active duty. I'm not on any kind of disability. The two pensions don't add up to $100K. But if I take SS at 67, which is extremely likely, then it might add up to $100K.

That's a bargain to the taxpayer for my valuable services.

I assumed you receive VA disability on top of an active duty retirement. I was factoring in FERS, military retirement and VA disability check.

[DooKSucks]

DS, if you're so jealous of my retirement, you can get one just like it. First, join the Army, go to OCS to get your commission (not direct commission as a JAG), serve in the reserves for awhile, then go on active duty, get assigned to Ft. Bragg, go to Airborne school, deploy to a war zone. After 8 years active duty, go back to the reserves, deploy to a war zone a second time, then finish up your 20 years.

Just remember, every day you're active or reserves, you'll have to meet the following physical fitness requirements:

https://www.military.com/military-fitne ... aining-pft

And the following height/WEIGHT (did I mention weight?) standards:

http://www.apft-standards.com/height-an ... ards/male/

From what I hear about your physique, good luck with that.

Then work in the Federal Bureau of Prisons for 20 years. Don't be a lawyer in an office far away from inmates. You've gotta be in a real prison - at least a medium security FCI or high security USP - (not a lady-part low security Camp like hedge was at) - and spend 20 years, all day, every day, surrounded by guys like this: https://www.foxnews.com/us/authorities- ... ped-inmate

You do that, DS, and you'll have the same retirement I have.

OK. Thanks, but the point remains: the government is paying for everything for the remainder of your life. You have no real risk sans the government turning into something along the lines of Venezuela or post-Tito Yugoslavia, but you want to sing the praises of the free market while engaging in socialism. I get that you've made personal sacrifices, but you're not at risk of losing everything.

Also, how many viable death threats does a prison chaplain receive? I would assume that the guards are the ones who need to look over their shoulders...

[Jungle Rat]

The Reserves? You're not really a real soldier.

[GBJs]

Last edited by DooKSucks on 26 Apr 2020 23:57, edited 3 times in total

1. Get this shit off of (AA's) Alabama board.
2. Any time you gotta edit something 3 fuckin times, yer just making shit up.

[GBJs]

[GBJs]

In Prof's defense, (WTF?) any half assed lawyer knows it ain't who makes the rules, it's who uses them..

Prof, 2 tours? 20 years? Thats it?!? I did 2 tours in 9 years and had it easy... just sayin...

[DooKSucks]

I have a five week old child who despises sleep as much as AA despises cheap blended scotches. Give me a fucking break and worry about the paper plant smell ruining your clothes.

I can't help i pointed out how he relies on socialism yet acts as if he is some type of libertarian hero.

[dave_rickart]

Last edited by DooKSucks on 26 Apr 2020 23:57, edited 3 times in total

1. Get this shit off of (AA's) Alabama board.
2. Any time you gotta edit something 3 fuckin times, yer just making shit up.

DS is always making shit up. He began as a Tar Heel - making up fake classes, making up fake diplomas, hanging fake banners....

[DooKSucks]

Yawn. Look: it's the guy who has one fucking banner to point to as a sign of athletic success.

[Jungle Rat]

He's got lots of cousins too.

[GBJs]

I have a five week old child who despises sleep as much as AA despises cheap blended scotches. Give me a fucking break and worry about the paper plant smell ruining your clothes.

I can't help i pointed out how he relies on socialism yet acts as if he is some type of libertarian hero.

Congratulations on the 5 week old! Hope all are well, even if sleep deprived!!

The majority of what you smell now is Maxwell House coffee.. paper mills... not so much anymore... in the late 80's, then mayor Tommy Hazouri got odor control laws pushed through city council which heavily stiffened fines and that made a real difference. Also helped clean up some of the shit being dumped in the St. Johns. That river used to smell horrid.

Just because someone is less financially exposed because of career choices, I cannot agree with defining someone who served 20 years in our military as reliant on socialism... that pension was earned. (Really Prof?? ARMY is meh, but RESERVES???.. Go Navy!!)

What I don't agree with and never have, is someone being able to use that 20 years as time towards a SECOND gubment pension... but, its the way lawyers wrote 'em...

Since he obtained his commission in service, the Army paid for all kinds of college... Prof did you even have the decency to accrue student loan debt???

[Professor Tiger]

FERS is better than retired military pay for a Major with 20+ years active duty? I must be missing something. If you retired as a major with 20 years of service in 2002, you would be receiving around $3,250.00-$3,500.00 per month in military retirement pay. you must have retired at 20 in your early 40's years ago and then hit the 50% mark at FBP without hitting 20 years due to some sort of floating deal with age versus years of service (given fbp/law enforcement having different retirement ages). I practice family law and have done so for ten years in two military towns. So, I have divided up my fair share of military retirements and FERS retirements as well, including FBP retirees like yourself. I'm not doubting you, but I haven't seen a FBP retiree with a FERS that's considerably better than that monthly check from the DFAS teet. Please elaborate because I am curious as to how much a damn prison chaplain makes in the FBP. It must be close to six figures and thus GS-12 or higher.

I'm sure Prof is getting VA disability too. Heck, if you have sleep apnea when you retire from the military, that's a fifty percent disability rating for VA purposes. You can get close to $3,300.00 in VA disability (I know you must be getting at least $2k per month because you get that for sneezing hard), and it's tax free. That's on top of his military retirement, but don't worry: I'm not going to delve into CRDP versus CRSC, Prof.

I will give an example from a hearing I had to sit through recently (pre-pandemic) before my hearing started (and since this isn't my client or case, I am. not violating confidentiality). These were the figures presented, and given my experience, the figures are not exaggerated. The husband is a retired E-9 (highest enlisted rank; Sergeant Major in the Army) with 30+ years of service (the amount needed to hit 75% of the average of your highest three years in the service if you entered between 80-86...100% at 40 years) and not even so much as an associates degree who receives the following:
1) a pension well in excess of $60,000.00 per year;
2) nearly $40,000.00 per year TAX FREE for a 100% VA disability rating; and wait for it...
3) PLUS a $84,000.00 per year civil service job despite the fact that the federal government has declared him to be disabled;
4) Add on top of that free health care and having two forms of government provided health insurance that will combine to insure he will never pay a medical bill.

If this gentlemen was self employed, he would need to earn at least $235,000.00 per year (rough estimate) to have the type of disposable income that this person's current government payments provide, and the guy would need to pay for high end insurance that will still have a deductible and still not provide as much coverage. Plus, that $235k amount does not include the amount the person would need to save and invest each year for a retirement on par with his current lifestyle.

So, let's summarize: Prof is receiving health insurance free of charge from two separate government programs and over $100,000.00 per year in government income, but Prof is a self proclaimed conservative libertarian who hates socialism, welfare, big government, social security, universal healthcare, etc.

I am flattered by your intense interest in the details of my retirement, DS. You obviously put a lot of time and effort theorizing, researching your theories, running some numbers, compiling your findings and posting them here. A lot of hard, solid work. Bravo.

That said, I am not paying that damn bill you you sent me for all that hard, solid work.

[Professor Tiger]

PS, there is no conflict between my gallant public service and my libertarian principles.

Even staunch Libertarians like me have no problem with the federal government doing what it is authorized to do by the Constitution. And the military and prisons are right there in the Constitution:

Military:

Article 1 section 8; “The Congress shall have power to.., provide for the common defense... To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;...To provide and maintain a navy;

Prisons:

Eighth Amendment: “Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.”

If I had spent all that time in a part of the federal government that was extra-constitutional, like supervising federally funded midnight basketball games, or administrating federal mohair subsidies, then you would have had a point.