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Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Post by Professor Tiger » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:07 am

hedge wrote:I assume you're including Fox News as "media"?
So when 3 out of 4 people say they believe the media put out fake news, and the media includes ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, the Washington Post, the New York Times, USA Today, the LA Times, the Chicago Tribune, the Boston Globe, the San Francisco Chronicle, etc. those 3 out of 4 were mostly referring to Fox News.

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Post by DooKSucks » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:45 am

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hedge wrote:You really think a contract employee working as a pastor (or even an enlisted pastor) should be treated the same as the head of the CIA or FBI when it comes to security clearance (or anything else)?
Umm, I wasn’t on contract. I was full time salaried.

And yes, I compare myself to Brennan, Comey, Strozk, Page, McCabe, et al, and favorably so. Unlike those clowns, I never used my official position to commit crimes like they did.
What are the crimes each committed?
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Post by Professor Tiger » Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:24 pm

Okay, I revise and extend my remarks and call it "investigative/prosecutorial misconduct," of which there was a lot:

Comey - leaked FBI business, containing information later classified, to a law professor for the specific purpose of it leaking to the press, which it was. That is currently under investigation by the DOJ AG, who also wrote the following:
Comey admitted that he concealed his intentions from the Department until the morning of his press conference on July 5, and instructed his staff to do the same, to make it impracticable for Department leadership to prevent him from delivering his statement. We found that it was extraordinary and
insubordinate for Comey to do so, and we found none of his reasons to be a persuasive basis for deviating from well-established Department policies in a way
intentionally designed to avoid supervision by Department leadership over his actions.
Strojk and Page -
In particular, we were concerned about text messages exchanged by FBI Deputy Assistant Director Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, Special Counsel to the Deputy Director, that potentially indicated or created the appearance that investigative decisions were impacted the fact that Strzok and several other FBI members of the Midyear team had been assigned to the Russia investigation, which was extremely active during this September and October time period, was not an excuse for failing to take any action during this time period on the Weiner laptop.

The FBI’s failure to act in late September or early October is even less justifiable when contrasted with the attention and resources that FBI management and
some members of the Midyear team dedicated to other activities in connection with the Midyear investigation during the same period... Nonetheless, the suggestion in certain Russia-related text messages in August 2016 that Strzok might be willing to take official action to impact presidential candidate Trump’s electoral prospects caused us to question the earlier Midyear investigative decisions in which Strzok was involved, and whether he took specific actions in the Midyear investigation based on his political views...We do not question that the FBI employees who sent these messages are entitled to their own political views. However, we believe using FBI devices to send the messages discussed in Chapter Twelve—particularly the messages that intermix work-related discussions with political commentary—potentially implicate provisions in the FBI’s Offense Code and Penalty Guidelines. At a minimum, we found that the employees’ use of FBI systems and devices to send the identified messages demonstrated extremely poor judgment and a gross lack of professionalism. We therefore refer this information to the FBI for its handling and consideration of whether the messages sent by the five employees listed above violated the FBI’s Offense Code of Conduct.
Mccabe
As detailed below, we found that in late October 2016, McCabe authorized Special Counsel and AD/OPA to discuss with Barrett issues related to the FBI’s Clinton Foundation investigation (CF Investigation). In particular, McCabe authorized Special Counsel and AD/OPA to disclose to Barrett the contents of a telephone call that had occurred on August 12, 2016, between McCabe and the then-Principal Associate Deputy Attorney General (“PADAG”). Among the purposes of the disclosure was to rebut a narrative that had been developing following a story in the WSJ on October 23, 2016, that questioned McCabe’s impartiality in overseeing FBI investigations involving former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, and claimed that McCabe had ordered the termination of the CF Investigation due to Department of Justice pressure. The disclosure to the WSJ effectively confirmed the existence of the CF Investigation, which then-FBI Director Comey had previously refused to do. The account of the August 12 McCabe-PADAG call, and other information regarding the handling of the CF Investigation, was included in the October 30 WSJ article. We found that, in a conversation with then-Director Comey shortly after the WSJ article was published, McCabe lacked candor when he told Comey, or made statements that led Comey to believe, that McCabe had not authorized the disclosure and did not know who did. This conduct violated FBI Offense Code 2.5 (Lack of Candor – No Oath). We also found that on May 9, 2017, when questioned under oath by FBI agents from INSD, McCabe lacked candor when he told the agents that he had not authorized the disclosure to the WSJ and did not know who did. This conduct violated FBI Offense Code 2.6 (Lack of Candor – Under Oath).
We further found that on July 28, 2017, when questioned under oath by the OIG in a recorded interview, McCabe lacked candor when he stated: (a) that he
was not aware of Special Counsel having been authorized to speak to reporters around October 30 and (b) that, because he was not in Washington, D.C., on
October 27 and 28, 2016, he was unable to say where Special Counsel was or what she was doing at that time. This conduct violated FBI Offense Code 2.6 (Lack of Candor – Under Oath).
We additionally found that on November 29, 2017, when questioned under oath by the OIG in a recorded interview during which he contradicted his prior
statements by acknowledging that he had authorized the disclosure to the WSJ, McCabe lacked candor when he: (a) stated that he told Comey on October 31,
2016, that he had authorized the disclosure to the WSJ; (b) denied telling INSD agents on May 9 that he had not authorized the disclosure to the WSJ about the PADAG call; and (c) asserted that INSD’s questioning of him on May 9 about the October 30 WSJ article occurred at the end of an unrelated meeting when one of the INSD agents pulled him aside and asked him one or two questions about the article. This conduct violated FBI Offense Code 2.6 (Lack of Candor – Under Oath). Lastly, we determined that as Deputy Director, McCabe was authorized to disclose the existence of the CF Investigation publicly if such a disclosure fell within the “public interest” exception in applicable FBI and DOJ policies generally prohibiting such a disclosure of an ongoing investigation. However, we concluded that McCabe’s decision to confirm the existence of the CF Investigation through an anonymously sourced quote, recounting the content of a phone call with a senior Department official in a manner designed to advance his personal interests at the
expense of Department leadership, was clearly not within the public interest exception. We therefore concluded that McCabe’s disclosure of the existence of an ongoing investigation in this manner violated the FBI’s and the Department’s media policy and constituted misconduct.
Brennan Leaked intel to Harry Reid in hopes it would be leaked to the press, which it was:
According to “Russian Roulette,” by Yahoo! News chief investigative correspondent Michael Isikoff and David Corn, the Washington bureau chief of the left-wing Mother Jones magazine, Brennan contacted Reid on Aug. 25, 2016, to brief him on the state of Russia’s interference in the presidential campaign. Brennan briefed other members of the so-called Gang of Eight, but Reid is the only who took direct action... “Reid also had the impression that Brennan had an ulterior motive. He concluded the CIA chief believed the public needed to know about the Russian operation, including the information about the possible links to the Trump campaign.” Reid’s letter referred to some public reporting about Trump campaign associates’ links to the Kremlin, but he also included a reference to information that may not have been made public at the time. He cited allegations that were included in the infamous Steele dossier about Carter Page, an adviser to the Trump campaign at the time.
The Trump-Russia investigation was initiated and perpetuated by a committee of Mike Nifong-types.
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Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Post by Toemeesleather » Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:16 pm

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Of Americans between 16 and 24 years old actively looking for work this summer, 9.2% were unemployed in July, the Labor Department said Thursday, a drop from the 9.6% youth unemployment rate in July 2017. It was the lowest midsummer joblessness rate for youth since July 1966.
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Post by Professor Tiger » Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:27 pm

Along those lines, from the Alt-Right USA Today:
Trump at 36 percent approval among African-Americans, new poll finds

Even as cable news networks debate reports of the existence of a recording of President Donald Trump using a racial slur, a new poll from Rasmussen Reports says that the president's approval rating among African-Americans is at 36 percent, nearly double his support at this time last year.

"Today's @realDonaldTrump approval ratings among black voters: 36%," Rasmussen said in a tweet. "This day last year: 19%."

That is a staggeringly high number for a man who only won 8 percent of the African-American vote in 2016.
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Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Post by hedge » Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:28 pm

I wish you would get high and stagger into traffic...
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Post by Professor Tiger » Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:42 pm

D+
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Post by bluetick » Sun Aug 19, 2018 7:57 am

Professor Tiger wrote:Along those lines, from the Alt-Right USA Today:
Trump at 36 percent approval among African-Americans, new poll finds

Even as cable news networks debate reports of the existence of a recording of President Donald Trump using a racial slur, a new poll from Rasmussen Reports says that the president's approval rating among African-Americans is at 36 percent, nearly double his support at this time last year.

"Today's @realDonaldTrump approval ratings among black voters: 36%," Rasmussen said in a tweet. "This day last year: 19%."

That is a staggeringly high number for a man who only won 8 percent of the African-American vote in 2016.

LOL Talk about an outlier. You can always count on Rasmussen.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mon ... f8162f6321

Gallup 13%
Ipsos/Reuters 12.8%
Quinnipiac 9%
Civiqs 6%
YouGov/Economist 13%
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Post by Professor Tiger » Sun Aug 19, 2018 8:25 am

Seems like blacks usually approve of Republicans in the mid-single digits.Those numbers all seem pretty good for any Republican, much less one that has been universally portrayed in the media as the Grand Wizard of the KKK. I remember the day after the election, you said the black kids you work with all expected to be fire hosed and dog bit under Trump.

Those numbers suggest Trump’s actual and measurable improvement of black peoples’ economic lives is having an effect.
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Post by hedge » Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:38 pm

The point still stands, although you steadfastly refused to address or acknowledge it, that the "poll" you sited was wildly out of line with multiple others. Yet that's where you choose to gather and, even worse, spread your "facts"...
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Post by Professor Tiger » Sun Aug 19, 2018 7:36 pm

Well, that poll was quoted by USA Today, a card carrying member of the MSM.

But okay, let’s do a Real Clear Politcs-style average of polls on blacks’ approval of Trump, using the numbers Tick provided:

Rasmussen: 36
Gallup: 13
Ipsos/Reuters: 12.8
Quinnipiac: 9
Coviqs: 6
Economist/YouGov: 13

Average: 14.96

If Trump got 8% of the black vote (like the article says), that means Trump’s approval rating among blacks has gone up by 87%.

hedge, did I get my numbers right (math has never been my forte). But if those numbers are correct, then what do you think about them?
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Post by hedge » Sun Aug 19, 2018 8:44 pm

I think most people throw out obvious outliers when coming up with a true average. So, back to the drawing board...
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Post by bluetick » Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:24 am

A lot of trump pearls yesterday. "Truth is not truth" from Rudy ranks right up there with KellyAnn's "alternative facts." Then there were the slew of Donnie-tweets about the NYT's bombshell wrt McGahn's sessions with Mueller. The last one ending with "Study the late Joseph McCarthy, because we are now in period with Mueller and his gang that make Joseph McCarthy look like a baby! Rigged Witch Hunt!" 'Looks like a baby' for crissakes...what a wordsmith.
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Post by sardis » Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:57 pm

"Truth is not Truth"

And "nothing short of treason" doesn't mean treason.

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Post by Professor Tiger » Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:24 pm

"It depends on what the definition of 'is' is."
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Post by bluetick » Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:19 pm

"People have to know whether or not their president is a crook. Well, I am not a crook."
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Post by Professor Tiger » Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:50 pm

“I did not ... have ....sex...with that woman....”
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Post by Jungle Rat » Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:21 am

Or any woman for that matter

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Post by bluetick » Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:37 am

Why does Melania keep trolling Donnie with her initiative against online bullying? (It's like if Pat Nixon railed against office break-ins) Is she still sore because he banged all those porn babes while she was carrying Baron? Does he make fun of her immigrant broken-English? Or is she just sick of his tired ol' bloated ass along with his churlish behavior?

If Donnie is interested in patching things up, he'd better start by getting his wife's name right (it's not 'Melanie', Mr. President).
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Post by Professor Tiger » Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:35 pm

Solid work psychoanalyzing Melania Trump. What is your equally sage diagnosis of Barron?
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