The Goat Pen

AlabamAlum wrote:I have no idea if she was raped. I used to be a lot more convinced that she wasn't than I am now. With every idiotic thing Jameis does, the "well, he could have, I suppose" gets a louder voice in my mind.

As far as her story changing, I haven't seen any official story from her. It's always been second or third hand -or worse. Where can we see her directly quoted on what she says has happened and how it's changed over time, Kev?

It's a lot of stuff to cover, but....

Newlin's investigative report - http://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/assets/5056142/ ... d1__1_.pdf

"(the accusor) told Weisburg she thought she blacked out as a result of being hit in the back of the head" (pg. 1) - investigators found no evidence of this. She also told another friend that "she was hit in the head at a party and blacked out" (pg. 7).

She reported having so much alcohol that she could only remember the night in bits and pieces (she reported 5 mixed drinks at the bar along with sharing drinks with a friend - pg. 3) - her BAC was .048 which translated to a max of about 0.10 for the evening (pg. 7). Her friend reported that she was drunk but not "that girl" drunk (pg. 13).

She had a dating relationship with a player from Kent State named Jamal Roberts whose semen was found on her underwear - she refused to mention his name (was discovered through phone records) and he refused to cooperate with officials, saying "he would answer questions only if subpoenaed" (pg. 13) - would you act this way if your girlfriend was raped? Also, when this fact was discovered, her aunt attorney claimed that her roommate had borrowed the shorts and had sex with Roberts.

Her aunt attorney claimed that she had been slipped date rate drugs, and when the test results came back negative she claimed the blood had been tampered with (keep in mind the tests were performed at UF). The tests were redone and the same results came back. (pg. 7)

Two hours after the sex, she texted a friend of hers asking for the answers to a test in a class called SPA-2 (pg. 6). Again, strange behavior (IMO).

She identified Winston as the attacker in January because they had a class together. She was offered to change to a different class and declined. In February, the TPD reported the case was being suspended due to a "lack of cooperation from the victim. If the victim decides to press charges, the case will be pursued."

I'm not going to dig a whole lot more because frankly I doubt anything will change anyone's mind at this point, and it doesn't really matter one way or another.

Other investigative documents:
http://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/assets/5056144/ ... _I__1_.pdf
http://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/assets/5056146/ ... ed__1_.pdf



With regard to his "idiotic behavior"....many of the things being reported actually happened before he was famous or notable - the BB gun incident(s), the "stealing Sprite from BK with a ketchup cup" incident were uncovered over a year after they happened and fairly typical college kid behavior. As for stealing crab legs - yeah that was dumb. Whether he was truly stealing them, made a mistake, or taking advantage of a friendly hookup that football players get - it's not something that anyone's moral sensibility can agree with. Screaming an Internet meme in the student union was also dumb...he's a jokester and fashions himself a comedian, but it's not the type of thing you can do when everyone is watching. No one who actually heard him seems offended, so keep that in mind. Anyone who says he was an idiot for showing up in pads at the Clemson game is an even bigger idiot. It wasn't his fault.

Great links. I think she was drunk, but I don't find drunkedness compelling to indicate rape. She is a college kid drinking at a bar. Lots of these kids end with a hook-up after a night at a bar. Although let me say this about ETOH: estimating BA level highs after the fact is dicey; a very inexact science. Likewise, guessing the mental effects caused by a certain BA level is just guesswork. Especially with younger adults, and it's even less reliable with females. So, yeah, drunk, but again, I don't find that particularly damning. They had all been drinking.


Likewise, certain meds can have additive effect properties - even non-prescription stuff (esp., cough syrups and sinus/allergy, and cold meds).

As far as her claims about being drugged, I don't find that a change in her story. I don't think she was, but I don't find it a flip. Also, it's still possible that she was. A normal blood screen for drugs tests for 10 things. And there are many more than 10 drugs that can fuck a person up.


As far as her not cooperating. I don't think that means much. I can't blaming someone for being hesitant about pressing the investigation of rape against the star QB in any college town, be it Tally, Tuscaloosa, Athens, or whatever. Especially after she had been party to the uproar the initial accusation caused.

Interestingly, I find Casher deleting the video he took of Winston and the girl having sex questionable. If I had a video that proved it was consensual, sleazy or not, there is no way I would delete it. If I were Winston's attorney, I would be anonymously sending it to TMZ. It would be all over the internet. I would make sure of that.

Re: idiotic behavior: okay. Forget the BB gun and Burger King things. But after going through national scrutiny with a rape investigation, you shoplift and get caught. You apologize, and then to start this season you get videotaped jumping on a table and yelling, FUCK HER RIGHT IN THE PUSSY." Internet meme or not, it's an idiotic act. After the rape case, the shoplifting, and the other things, this was just....too much. Accumulative effect. As far as the dressing out thing after being suspended, yeah, that's not on him, it's on the coaches and admin at Florida State.

It's college. Shit happens.

AlabamAlum wrote:

innocentbystander wrote:
Someone will figure out how to stop them. It wont be this week. CSU is not stopping BC.

Cogent.

I damned them.

EPIC FAIL

Back to football - the defense of our NC will be very shortlived if the defense doesnt tighten up.

Interestingly, I find Casher deleting the video he took of Winston and the girl having sex questionable. If I had a video that proved it was consensual, sleazy or not, there is no way I would delete it. If I were Winston's attorney, I would be anonymously sending it to TMZ. It would be all over the internet. I would make sure of that.

Except that filming the act is illegal and he was trying to destroy that evidence before the rape allegations were made known. If his story is truthful, I'm sure he wishes he had taken the 6 months probation or whatever for filming them in exchange for completely clearing his friend's name.

I understand filming it is illegal. The thing is, just testifying that you did film it and then destroyed it is still apparently punishable in Florida. At least that's how one of the radio lawyers explained it, that the act of destroying the evidence doesn't exonerate you. You can come back and say, "just kidding" but you can then be charged with making false statements.


I don't know...I really don't care. It is what it is. And honestly, I have Jameis fatigue. Hopefully he will lay low off the field until the girl files a civil suit.

we don't deserve to be #1 in the AP, maybe not even the #2 in the AP - #3 or 4 yes but after watching so many missed tackles and stupid turnovers I found it hard to believe we actually pulled that game out - many thanks to some true freshmen on both sides of the ball for stellar effort...

hopefully we can rest and get healthy those guys who missed playing against the wolfpack, Edwards, Pender and Stemple in time for ND - WF and Syracuse should not be as daunting as the last 2 contests

credit to the wolf pack - Brisett was outstanding and the pack played tough on both sides of the line - if they keep recruiting at the caliber of last year they will be contenders in a little while

Did y'all end up beating the line in that game. I heard a snippet that NCState has beaten the line 19 of the last 21 vs FSU (or something close).

It's funny how the national narrative is how bad we looked when we were within a FG of covering the spread. When Oregon wins 56-41, they have a great offense. When FSU wins 56-41, they suck.

But I agree that we've not played anywhere near a #1 team, but we do have that 20 game winning streak going. If we Auburn our way to another undefeated season, I'll take it, but as poorly as we've played we'll not get any benefit of the doubt if we drop a game along the way (and shouldn't).

Lawrence-Stample is out for the season BBB. He tore a pectoral muscle against Clemson (but continued playing!). Edwards and Pender will definitely be back by then, most likely this week against WF as well. We were already very thin along the DL and losing NLS may prove devastating.

AlabamAlum wrote:Did y'all end up beating the line in that game. I heard a snippet that NCState has beaten the line 19 of the last 21 vs FSU (or something close).

No, not quite. And I wouldn't bet FSU to cover in any remaining games frankly.

The defense actually played pretty well after the first quarter but a couple of costly turnovers lead to NCSU points.

The national media's narrative is always guided by a desire to build up those who have not won it all and to tear down teams who have - especially traditional teams and those who have won it all recently. Why? I don't know. Perhaps the perceived underdog factor.

The good news is this: voters and committees tend to take the opposite stance. The Bama's, USC's, Ohio State's, and FSU's (etc) of the world get the nod with spots in the at-large big bowls, and BCS title games - and going forward, I have no doubt, the same will be true in the playoff.

The only thing about the committee is I feel that they will work hard to avoid two from the same conference, no matter how deserving. There have been times when two of the four best teams have been from the same conference. It's happened in all of the major conferences - in the SEC of late, but i could come up with an example from the B1G, ACC, BigXII, and PAC-12 if pressed.

Lawrence-Stample is out for the season BBB

my bad, I knew that but had a brain fart - thanks, kev

I'd be hard-pressed to think of a year when 2 teams from the ACC were amongst the top 4. Maybe Clemson and FSU one year?

Yeah. Or perhaps, going back, some combo of them, VaTech, or Miami. I would include them as ACC teams even before they actually joined the conference. Why? Because I have to be right in all things and I do not mind taking license to achieve that goal.

1990: Three current ACC teams finished in the top four of the final AP poll: GaTech, Miami, FSU.

hedge wrote:I'd be hard-pressed to think of a year when 2 teams from the ACC were amongst the top 4. Maybe Clemson and FSU one year?

A good argument could have been made for Clemson last year...if they could have avoided turnovers and beaten USCe. Otherwise the ACC is usually slightly better than national perception IMO but not as strong as it needs to be.

Thankfully nobody cares about your opinion

Does Wake still do all that cut blocking bull shit? Need to rest Goldman and a few others this weekend if so.