The Goat Pen

KeviNole wrote:IB's theory given a bit more credence today:

According to the letter -- obtained by TMZ -- the alleged victim's lawyer, Patricia Carroll, demanded $7 MIL to settle her client's claims against FSU and Winston, telling Cornwell [Winston's attorney], "If we settle, you will never hear from my client or me again -- in the press or anywhere."

Cornwell says he rejected her offer and 4 days later she went to the media.

Cornwell also says Carroll claimed her client's sexual encounter had to be rape, because she would never sleep with a "black boy." Fact is ... the alleged victim's boyfriend at the time was black. The criminal case fell apart, partly because the alleged victim had semen from 2 different men on her shorts.

Thank you Kevinole.

So... aTm.... care to kindly take back your entirely condescending remarks about my parody diatribes?

Based on what this lawyer says? He's a loon, who is actively making his case on his twitter feed (not usually standard procedure, I know you're not exactly familiar with the way the world actually works). The problem with your idiotic diatribe though has nothing to do with settlement negotiations (nor the laughable claim that a lawyer would tell another lawyer that her client wouldn't sleep with a "black boy") but is a problem with the fact that you are talking out your ass about things you haven't done the least bit of research on to know anything about. You don't even know the timeline on this even though we've discussed it before. She accused him of rape immediately according to the police reports taken that night.

You've been given the timeline (by me) from the police affidavits before, but you ignored them, apparently cant remember even having the conversation. Your diatribe seems like a parody because it has no basis in reality. The lawyer at least has the excuse that he's actively trying to drive narrative for his client.

Obviously you took the Red Pill.

Here is the other side's response.

Atlanta NFL lawyer, David Cornwell, has apparently leaked to TMZ a self-serving letter to Florida State University that is full of dishonest and distorted statements at a time when Mr. Winston is suffering from the negative attention of his own continuing misconduct of last week. Mr. Cornwell appears to know that Mr. Winston is about to be charged by Florida State with sexual assault and this letter seems to be his final attempt to prevent FSU from complying with federal law.

The facts that Mr. Cornwell chose not to disclose are that it was he himself who reached out to our client’s former counsel Patricia Carroll to discuss paying off our client. Patricia Carroll didn’t even know who David Cornwell was until he called. Mr. Cornwell then himself flew down from Atlanta to negotiate with Ms. Carroll.

Settlement discussions were immediately unproductive as Cornwell was crude and insulting going so far as to say “your client likes to f*** football players.” When told that the client’s main concern was not money but that Winston be held accountable for his actions, Cornwell threatened to sue our client and her parents for civil racketeering in an effort to intimidate them into staying quiet. After learning about Mr. Cornwell’s unprofessional conduct at that meeting from Ms. Carroll, our office has decidedly not engaged with Mr. Cornwell at all or anyone else on Mr. Winston’s behalf. Although it our understanding that settlement was discussed, no authorized demands were made of Mr. Winston.

Mr. Cornwell additionally and inaccurately portrays that our client chose to file a complaint “two years later”. The truth is that the University approached our client in October of 2013 and asked her for the first time whether she would cooperate with disciplinary charges against Mr. Winston after the school received a second report of sexual misconduct by another woman. Our client responded that she would certainly cooperate. Since that time our client through counsel has repeatedly agreed to cooperate and meet with the University. All of these communications, including the October 2013 discussion with FSU officials, is documented. Mr. Cornwell may wish the truth were otherwise but FSU’s own records proves him false.

To the extent that Mr. Cornwell references statements about Mr. Winston’s race, we would doubt that Ms. Carroll made such remarks. The suggested remarks are certainly not beliefs held by our client and she would never authorize anyone to say such things.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footba ... aim-092414

aTm wrote:Your diatribe seems like a parody because it has no basis in reality.

Well, you know aTm, that's unfortunate and I'm a little surprised that you feel that way. I guess I'd expect you to recant and give me a little more credit for my thought process but it appears that pride has the best of you at the moment. I would like to believe that if the shoe were on the other foot, I would be the bigger man and be apologizing to you.

I'll close with a comment from YOUR quote regarding this situation (emphasis mine):

Settlement discussions were immediately unproductive as Cornwell was crude and insulting going so far as to say “your client likes to f*** football players.” When told that the client’s main concern was not money but that Winston be held accountable for his actions, Cornwell threatened to sue our client and her parents for civil racketeering in an effort to intimidate them into staying quiet. After learning about Mr. Cornwell’s unprofessional conduct at that meeting from Ms. Carroll, our office has decidedly not engaged with Mr. Cornwell at all or anyone else on Mr. Winston’s behalf. Although it our understanding that settlement was discussed, no authorized demands were made of Mr. Winston.

Settlement discussions? WTF is that??????? Was this girl raped or not? Was this a crime or a broken business transaction? If she was raped, there is no "settlement", she should want Winston in jail so he doesn't get to violate another girl. A settlement means they stay quiet, he stays out of prison, and he can rape... AGAIN! Rape victims want their violators incarcerated, not money. Your quote (from the "other side", your words) stipulates that she HAS a lawyer and she wanted a settlement ($$$$.) That turns this would be rape victim into a WHORE who is extorting money from Jameis Winston for services rendered. No one on HER SIDE should be talking to anyone on HIS SIDE about anything because the people on HER SIDE can't "settle" on a lesser charge for a crime. Only the DA can do that. So HER SIDE is trying to settle for $$$$$.

Prior to your post, I might have had some sympathy for her. Now (because of your post) she's just a would-be-whore, no better than the whore who extorted money from Kobe Bryant.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone...

hedge wrote:Let he who is without sin cast the first stone...

That's fine. And we are all sinners hedge. But it appears (just from what aTm quoted) that Jameis Winston's sin is fornication and the "rape victim's" sin is the world's oldest profession.

I don't think I'm missing anything here. The quote aTm gave us openly admitted that her SIDE was open to a settlement of some sort. Her SIDE should not be trying to settle ANYTHING with Jameis Wiston. Her SIDE should not even be communicating with ANYONE who has been retained by Jameis Winston. Her SIDE (if this is a rape) talks ONLY with law enforcement and the DA's office. The DA's office can then "settle" with Jameis Winston's side. This is supposed to be a CRIMINAL matter. The moment it became a CIVIL matter, she became a whore.

Your quote (from the "other side", your words) stipulates that she HAS a lawyer and she wanted a settlement ($$$$.)

The facts that Mr. Cornwell chose not to disclose are that it was he himself who reached out to our client’s former counsel Patricia Carroll to discuss paying off our client. Patricia Carroll didn’t even know who David Cornwell was until he called. Mr. Cornwell then himself flew down from Atlanta to negotiate with Ms. Carroll.

Settlement discussions were immediately unproductive as Cornwell was crude and insulting going so far as to say “your client likes to f*** football players.” When told that the client’s main concern was not money but that Winston be held accountable for his actions, Cornwell threatened to sue our client and her parents for civil racketeering in an effort to intimidate them into staying quiet.

As for wanting him in jail, obviously she wants (or claims to want) him in jail but that isn't going to happen. The FSU alum state attorney has already decided not to prosecute. The "settlement" that would be reached involves a Title IX investigation by Florida State into Jameis Winston and possibly an investigation by the federal government into the procedures used by Florida State. The criminal part is OVER. These settlement discussions are about shutting her up in Title IX interviews/complaints so Winston can continue to play football for Florida State. The criminal complaint has already been dead and buried (by the Tallahassee police).

Of course, I realize I'm merely talking to the wind. You're clearly either not capable of understanding the nuances or merely willfully ignorant of any kind of factual detail. All you want is a source of general tidbits to keep sticking in your idiotic takes.

Something else....

The facts that Mr. Cornwell chose not to disclose are that it was he himself who reached out to our client’s former counsel Patricia Carroll to discuss paying off our client. Patricia Carroll didn’t even know who David Cornwell was until he called. Mr. Cornwell then himself flew down from Atlanta to negotiate with Ms. Carroll.

Why did this even happen? Are you f-cking kidding me? Ms Carroll hangs up the phone the minute Mr Cornwel calls. The girl was raped, right? If so, why would Ms Carroll "negotiate" with Mr Cornwell? What are they "negotiating" other than money? Ms Carroll is NOT the DA. She has no power to charge or not charge Winston or a lesser crime. She represents/represented the rape victim. The only person she should be negotiating with is the DA on what they will charge Winston with. Apparently that decision has already been made.

Ms Carroll was the girl's attorney. If another attorney calls and says he wants to offer a settlement in exchange for not cooperating with any Title IX investigations, she is going to talk with him to find out what he is offering so that she can advise her client. She claims that she did so, and they told him no.

The other guy claims something else. Just because you believe the Winston side because it aligns with your perverse beliefs very neatly doesn't give you some kind of "point" over me that I need to take back.

The whole point of posting the victim's lawyer's statement was to say that just because some lawyer claimed it, doesn't mean you were clearly right. In fact, Ive quoted another lawyer saying something else! I win! A lawyer said so!

aTm,

As for wanting him in jail, obviously she wants (or claims to want) him in jail but that isn't going to happen. The FSU alum state attorney has already decided not to prosecute. The "settlement" that would be reached involves a Title IX investigation by Florida State into Jameis Winston and possibly an investigation by the federal government into the procedures used by Florida State. The criminal part is OVER.

Your words, no crime. The young man is NOT a rapist.

These settlement discussions are about shutting her up in Title IX interviews/complaints so Winston can continue to play football for Florida State.

Exactly. Its a civil matter. So now (because they even bothered to talk about this), she is a whore.

It does not matter to me who approached who with a settlement. And it shouldn't matter to you. She was either raped or she wasn't. If both sides were even open to possibility of this happening (paying her off to keep her quiet) and it appears from your own quote this is the case, that makes her a whore. A rape victim (the moment the DA told her they would not prosecute) goes STRAIGHT TO THE MEDIA and tells the WHOLE WORLD who she is, what happened, how it happened, what Jameis Winston did to her, and how the DA's office chose not to prosecute. She CAN do that. She can warn every woman in the world about rapist Jameis Winston because (and she has the semen as proof) HE RAPED HER! Problem is, no one gets paid if she does that because (now) the whole world knows everything. She has no leverage on Wisnton (to get $$$$$.)

I suppose if she can't get any money out of Winston, she can at least sell the rights to the book about her "rape."

Of course, I realize I'm merely talking to the wind. You're clearly either not capable of understanding the nuances or merely willfully ignorant of any kind of factual detail.

I am quoting YOU and YOUR facts.

aTm,

Ms Carroll was the girl's attorney.

Correct. She HAS an attorney. WTF does she have an attorney? She didn't rape anyone. She was raped. Jameis needs the attorney, not her.

The only reason why she has an attorney is to turn consentual sex into rape and extort Winston to get $$$$$.

I am quoting YOU and YOUR facts.

Yes. It proves that point.

aTm,

The other guy claims something else. Just because you believe the Winston side because it aligns with your perverse beliefs very neatly doesn't give you some kind of "point" over me that I need to take back.

The whole point of posting the victim's lawyer's statement was to say that just because some lawyer claimed it, doesn't mean you were clearly right. In fact, Ive quoted another lawyer saying something else! I win! A lawyer said so!

I believe Winston's side simply because she HAS an attorney. Why does she even HAVE an attorney? Why didn't she run to the Tallahasee media the moment she got off the phone with the DA when they told her they weren't going to prosecute? If she was raped, she was raped. Now a rapest is not only unconvicted, he wasn't even charged. Run the media, tell the whole world, protect the next girl who might be raped. That is what a rape victim would do, NOT get a lawyer.

A rape victim would never-EVER be willing to take money from anyone to "shut up" about the rape. If they do that, then what they are doing is turning themself from a rape victim into a whore. They are turning a violation and capital crime into a business negotiation.

I asked you for the take back because I thought that maybe you would realize (after reading what Kevinole posted) that the girl is full of shit, I was right to first identify that, and you were wrong to denigrate my comments. If Jameis had been charged, I would be on the girl's side. That never happened, and it is never going to happen. So I guessed at a possible scenario that (freakishly) is damn near close to what appears to be happening. Now you don't have to give me credit for that, but I sure would like a take back aTm. I did not expect you to be digging your heels in....

Her having an attorney doesn't prove anything. If one is assaulted or injured - and I'm sure you would agree that rape is assault - you can sue the person. If aTm raped your mom, you would want him in jail and would probably like to see him ruined financially. Since rape can have serious deleterious effects on one's mental state, your mom would have cash for counseling and wouldn't be forced to work through the shame and treatment for a myriad of STDs she would now no doubt be positive for. Or perhaps you may be able to take some time off to soothe her battered psyche.

You getting a lawyer in the above situation doesn't necessarily mean your mom is a whore or aTm is innocent.

As far as whether Jameis raped the girl or not, I have no idea. But the 'getting a lawyer means you're guilty' thingy is wrongheaded.

" Since rape can have serious deleterious effects on one's mental state, your mom would have cash for counseling and wouldn't be forced to work through the shame and treatment for a myriad of STDs she would now no doubt be positive for."

Having borne IB would insulate any woman from any further instance of shame imaginable. Compared to bearing him, gang rape is a like a trip to the grocery store...

Do not like your avatar, hedge. Change it back.

AlabamAlum wrote:Her having an attorney doesn't prove anything. If one is assaulted or injured - and I'm sure you would agree that rape is assault - you can sue the person. If aTm raped your mom, you would want him in jail and would probably like to see him ruined financially.

Okay fine.

If aTm raped my mom, aTm would be in jail. The only reason why Winston is not in jail (or even charged) is because the DA's office KNOWS this isn't rape and the DA doesn't want to be the next Nifong for charging an innocent young man for political reasons. In this day-and-age with the "war on women" and everyone saying women are getting raped everywhere, they take this very seriously. The DA wants to be re-elected in November and that is not going to happen if he refuses to prosecute true capital crimes NOR will it happen if he DOES prosecute bullshit.

You can sue anyone for anything. Whether or not you win in court is another matter altogether. She should sue if she was raped. Has that even happened yet? Or are they still "negotiating?" More to the point, do you think she gets DIME ONE in any civil lawsuit now that the DA's office has dropped the criminal matter? This isn't an OJ situation where the Jury fucked up and a murderer is unconvicted, there WAS no charge, no arrest, no court appearance. And the civil court will take that into consideration if it comes to that, and I don't think we are headed there.

Sidebar, I have sued twice and received full payment for every dime that I sued. I never had a lawyer. It never went to trial and I never negotiated with the people I was suing. I just filed the suit, they kept calling me, I kept hanging up, and the day before these suits were to be in court, I got a check for the full amount. That is because I had real damages and the people I was suing KNEW they were going to lose. Why pay an attorney to fight a lawsuit you know you are going to lose?

AlabamAlum wrote:Since rape can have serious deleterious effects on one's mental state, your mom would have cash for counseling and wouldn't be forced to work through the shame and treatment for a myriad of STDs she would now no doubt be positive for. Or perhaps you may be able to take some time off to soothe her battered psyche.

You getting a lawyer in the above situation doesn't necessarily mean your mom is a whore or aTm is innocent.

As far as whether Jameis raped the girl or not, I have no idea. But the 'getting a lawyer means you're guilty' thingy is wrongheaded.

She's being financially opportunistic AA on something that is NOT a crime (its not a crime because no one was charged.) That is the problem. That is why I regard her as a whore. Since the DA told her that they would NOT prosecute, nothing of what she has done has been what a true rape victim would do. If she were truly raped, she would have gone to the media and told the whole world who she is, what happened, how it happened, and here are my panties as proof. Ladies look what he did to me, he is a monster, stay away from him, you have been warned! She would be on 20/20, NBC News, ABC News, CBS News, Fox News, MSNBC, Oprah, Dr Phil, ESPN, and every Sunday morning talk show warning the whole world about Winston and denigrating the cruel, thoughtless DA's office in Tallahasee that refused to do their jobs. She has not done that. I don't even think her identity is made public yet. And she is not going to tell the media the whole story because that is a card she has to play in "negotiations" with Winston's attorney. Thus, she turns a would be crime (that was never prosecuted because a 3rd party concluded that there was NO crime) into a financial opportunity. That is what makes her a whore.

By the by, if my mom was raped by aTm and the local DA didn't prosecute, the whole world would know that aTm raped my mom.... and I would be in jail for murder. There would be no lawyers retained.

aTm was slippery. He said/she said. The DA declined to prosecute, but make no mistake, your mom was bent over the kitchen table by aTm, a fistful of hair in one hand, as he used his feet to splay your mom's legs, and with a crooked grin he thrust his manhood deep into your mother's ass. After completion, he spat on her crumpled, naked frame, laughed, and said, "You know you loved it, you whore. Don't bother calling the police. I'm a very important man here and no one will believe you."

So, your mom hires a lawyer. She's a whore and aTm is innocent. She displays her spunk-stained panties on Good Morning America, and she's a victim and aTm is a rapist?


You do see, how that is almost magical thinking, right? How it is illogical and immaterial to whether she was raped or not, correct? I actually think I've had it right all along. You're a parody account. No one is this stupid.