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AugustWest wrote:http://blogs.newsobserver.com/iteam/ncs ... olina-fans

CTOPS events didn't count as credit hours when I was there. I don't know what it is like now, but I doubt that it has changed.

DooKSucks wrote:

AugustWest wrote:http://blogs.newsobserver.com/iteam/ncs ... olina-fans

CTOPS events didn't count as credit hours when I was there. I don't know what it is like now, but I doubt that it has changed.

Some IC poster thinks he found NC States version of UNC's AFAM department and e-mailed the N&O and posted on several message boards about State's academic fraud. Kane was following up in the interest of fair play. Beyond pathetic.

Come learn how to calculate a GPA and get an A! Calculators allowed!

DooKSucks wrote:Come, learn

operative words. even for these 1 hour gimmies we have syllibi, teachers, the classes actually meet and attendance is taken.

He has no idea what you are talking about.

You're more right than you know.

Oh. I know.

"even for these 1 hour gimmies we have syllibi, teachers, the classes actually meet and attendance is taken."

So you're basically saying it's OK to give out A's as long as some type of pseudo-protocol is followed that makes it look as if it's a real class. Outright chicanery is fine as long as it looks "official". I'm sure you'd be defending UNC and the Af-Am department if only they'd made it look a little better. Yeah, right...

Do they really "take attendance" at State?

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hedge wrote:"even for these 1 hour gimmies we have syllibi, teachers, the classes actually meet and attendance is taken."

So you're basically saying it's OK to give out A's as long as some type of pseudo-protocol is followed that makes it look as if it's a real class. Outright chicanery is fine as long as it looks "official". I'm sure you'd be defending UNC and the Af-Am department if only they'd made it look a little better. Yeah, right...

what is "pseudo-protocol" about classes actually meeting? If the af-am classes actually met, had teachers, assignments, work was actually done and actually graded then I have no problem with it. What is wrong with you people that you cant understand the definition of "class"?

"What is wrong with you people that you cant understand the definition of "class"?"

maybe they can't define it, but they recognize it when they see it

WTF is "alluded racism?"

The sheriff is near?

"what is "pseudo-protocol" about classes actually meeting?"

Don't play dumb. The point I'm making is, if everybody in the class gets an A irregardless of their work (or if what is being "taught" is something you would expect in a 3rd grade class), you can't act like it's OK just b/c they have a "teacher" who shows up in a room 3 times a week. I will concede that the fact that they are only getting one hour or two hours of credit makes it less egregious (and I've never pretended that all universities don't offer some cupcake classes that many students sign up for), but with regard to the current debate, where one side is accusing the other of wholesale fraud, you have to expect that you're going to get called out when it appears your own school is engaging in similar practices, even if it appears to be (in this case, at least) of a more minor nature...

hedge wrote:"what is "pseudo-protocol" about classes actually meeting?"

Don't play dumb. The point I'm making is, if everybody in the class gets an A irregardless of their work (or if what is being "taught" is something you would expect in a 3rd grade class), you can't act like it's OK just b/c they have a "teacher" who shows up in a room 3 times a week. I will concede that the fact that they are only getting one hour or two hours of credit makes it less egregious (and I've never pretended that all universities don't offer some cupcake classes that many students sign up for), but with regard to the current debate, where one side is accusing the other of wholesale fraud, you have to expect that you're going to get called out when it appears your own school is engaging in similar practices, even if it appears to be (in this case, at least) of a more minor nature...

Nobody is calling out UNC for cupcake courses. Have all the cupcake courses you want. UNC has engaged in wholesale academic fraud. That is the issue. Again, why can't you people understand?

Hedge, what do you think UNC has been accused of? The specific charges.

With regard to the academic fraud: were all students allowed to enroll in the sham classes or just the athletes?