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Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:29 pm
by Jungle Rat
Something to do with a fbi tap on his computer.
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:43 pm
by hedge
"Why would you ask me such a straight-forward and easily google-able question?"
I like the human element when it comes to guns...
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:50 pm
by AlabamAlum
Then shoot yourself.
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:10 pm
by hedge
I could've googled that, too, but you sure were mighty eager to tell me yourself. Why couldn't it have been that way with my query upon calibres??
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:12 pm
by AlabamAlum
I like the human element of urging you on to suicide.
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:55 pm
by eCat
a .22 will mess you up because it doesn't have the power to make a "clean shot", so it damages more area of internal organs when a person is shot
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:59 pm
by AlabamAlum
It can tumble once it enters the body.
A .22 to the back of the head is not an unusual way to kill someone with some gangs, mobs, organized crime groups.
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:22 pm
by Bklyn
sardis wrote:Abortion only allowed on limited circumstances is in the 70% range. Do you feel that right needs to change as well?
I don't know if "needs to change" is where I am, as I am actually fairly unclear on what the law is currently. However, I am not fully on board with abortion at every point in the term, short of life of the mother.
AA wrote:I support checks at gun shows. 17 states already have some amount of regulation there anyway. Alabama does not mandate it, but the last gun show I went here was doing checks - maybe it was a county or city thing? And what are we going to do with private citizen sales? But I'm not sure how gun show checks are a response to Sandy Hook.
Background checks on ammo purchases? Horrible. National database is Orwellian.
And we're gonna have to decide what an assault rifle actually is. We can go back to the 1994 verbiage, but -keep in mind- those were largely cosmetic.
- I think it was an add-on response for VaTech.
- I agree
- I don't think this goes anywhere, for that specific purpose
hedge wrote:"a majority of people who live in gun-owning households, a group that accounts for 44 percent of all adults in this country."
I'm surprised at that number, just b/c I've never lived in a house with guns. My grandfather had an old ass .22 rifle, I bet it would've took 5 or 6 shots to kill a man. The bullets were basically glorified pellets...
My father grew up on a farm in Georgia. I grew up in the 44% range.
sardis wrote:If the NRA was smart, they would propose running their own registries, policing gun shows and certifying dealers, etc. much like other industries. I think it would be ok with gun owners since it is not the government and it shows the public that they do care about such things.
Not bad.
AA wrote:Why would you ask me such a straight-forward and easily google-able question?
Heh
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:27 pm
by BigRedMan
The Googles frighten and confuse poor Hedge.
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:29 pm
by AlabamAlum
Did the VaTech shooter buy his at a gun show? I thought the issue with him was that he didn't have a criminal history, but he did have a psychiatric one. Will we be willing to keep a roster of the crazy and add it to the database? If so, how? Encourage psychiatrists to forget the physician-patient privilege and the patient confidentiality laws?
I just don't know...
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:31 pm
by Bklyn
I think the VaTech shooter bought his weapons at a gun show in VA with an expired license.
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:36 pm
by AlabamAlum
Where they came from: In February of 2007, Cho bought a Walther P22 from TGSCOM Inc., an online gun dealer based in Green Bay, Wis., which later closed. He bought the Glock at Roanoke Firearms, about 30 miles from Virginia Tech, in early March. According to the store owner, he was easily cleared through the federal background check system.
http://storify.com/DigitalFirst/mass-sh ... -come-from
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:27 pm
by Bklyn
AlabamAlum wrote:Where they came from: In February of 2007, Cho bought a Walther P22 from TGSCOM Inc., an online gun dealer based in Green Bay, Wis., which later closed. He bought the Glock at Roanoke Firearms, about 30 miles from Virginia Tech, in early March. According to the store owner, he was easily cleared through the federal background check system.
http://storify.com/DigitalFirst/mass-sh ... -come-from
Good link. Looks like existing regulations didn't work.
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:19 pm
by hedge
Nor are they likely to in the future...
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:50 pm
by AlabamAlum
We're not ready, in this country, to make psychiatrists and psychologists 'rat out' their patients. Several of the mass shooters have had a psych history, but it's not part of background checks.
And it can be argued that the cray-cray of the world would be less inclined to seek help with weakened confidentiality laws.
But by tomorrow we should have it all figured out. <\sarcasm>
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:08 pm
by sardis
"He is not naive about the challenges that exist, but he believes that, as he said yesterday, if even one child's life can be saved by the actions we take here in Washington, we must take those actions."
Yeah, we should apply that philosophy to every decision.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... tions.html
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:18 pm
by hedge
I wonder what the ACLU's position on gun control is?
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:25 pm
by eCat
I do think we should explore ways for family to identify family members and potential threats by making them responsible if they have guns accessible to potentially unstable people. That should be a law that extends beyond family and just make everyone accountable who makes guns accessible to potentially unstable people - and have very , very harsh pentalties for it.
I have no problem dropping the hammer on anyone that is irresponsible with controlling access to firearms.
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:28 pm
by eCat
AlabamAlum wrote:It can tumble once it enters the body.
A .22 to the back of the head is not an unusual way to kill someone with some gangs, mobs, organized crime groups.
its the gun of choice of professional assassins. I actually learned that on 60 minutes
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:43 pm
by hedge
What about a derringer?