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" If you snort coke, just one line of coke (at any moment) and you could have a heart attack and die. That is not acting in a responsible manner. And before you respond with "...yeah but no one else died when I did this, it is a victimless crime..." I am going to call bullshit on that. Hedge, all the people that love you and care about you are now victims."

What if you die skydiving? Or water skiing? Or cleaning your gutters? Maybe all of those things should be illegal, too, to ensure that no one is "victimized". And I'm not saying it's not tragic or sad or whatever if somebody OD's and leaves their fambly devastated. I'm just saying it's not any business of the government to micro-manage every potentially tragic aspect of everyone's life...

"So people like me (and other parents who want what is best for their children) want Pot to remain illegal because we do NOT want our children to have legal access to something that is higly addictive that will most certainly destroy their future earning power."

So you are clearly in favor of alcohol prohibition as well, right?

I don't think you can say pot is highly addictive anyways - I'd call it a lifestyle choice

Since when did weed become addictive?

hedge wrote:" If you snort coke, just one line of coke (at any moment) and you could have a heart attack and die. That is not acting in a responsible manner. And before you respond with "...yeah but no one else died when I did this, it is a victimless crime..." I am going to call bullshit on that. Hedge, all the people that love you and care about you are now victims."

What if you die skydiving? Or water skiing? Or cleaning your gutters? Maybe all of those things should be illegal, too, to ensure that no one is "victimized". And I'm not saying it's not tragic or sad or whatever if somebody OD's and leaves their fambly devastated. I'm just saying it's not any business of the government to micro-manage every potentially tragic aspect of everyone's life...

We already have financial parameters around these lawful activities. Try getting a term life insurance policy if you routinely skydive or handglide. If they know about it, you wont get coverage because you fit in an entirely different risk pool (or it will cost you a fortune.) You are most likely NOT going to die cleaning your gutters (probably have a higher probability of getting hit by a bus or hit by lightning) so that point is irrelevant.

What isn't irrelevant is that one line of cocaine will kill you. You don't know which line it is, (hopefully it will just give you that cherry high that you long for) but over the long haul, if you do 100 lines of coke, odds are pretty good that there will be sufficent damage to your heart that you might have a heart attack. Do 1000 lines, and not only are you broke, you are dead.

Toemeesleather wrote:Oh well, that's different...like Solyndra....

I'm not sure if building a dam to supply power (or in my mind create lake reservoirs to enable irrigation during times of drought) was considered at risky in the 1920's as windmills are today, but at any rate, I'm talking about repairing bridges that are in operation beyond their life span, replacing turn of the century water lines and gas mains - real work that needs to be done

Jungle Rat wrote:Since when did weed become addictive?

I never thought it was until I had some personal experience with this. When I had the Rules Girls over the house, quite a few of them said that they would NOT be able to go on vacation (even for a couple of days) if it meant being away from their weed. When they finally promised that they wouldn't bring it, they lied to me. They had no respect for me and brought it anyway. When I busted them smoking weed in my backyard and put them on the spot about it (about lying to me) they said that they couldn't help it, that they couldn't leave it at home because they were addicted. That it was simply impossible for them to be away from their weed for a 48 hour period.

I hope you're joking but im guessing you're not. Oh boy.

hedge wrote:"So people like me (and other parents who want what is best for their children) want Pot to remain illegal because we do NOT want our children to have legal access to something that is higly addictive that will most certainly destroy their future earning power."

So you are clearly in favor of alcohol prohibition as well, right?

No.

One glass of wine per night is healthful.

Jungle Rat wrote:I hope you're joking but im guessing you're not. Oh boy.

Hey I'm not addicted. I had no idea how addictive pot could be. It was so addictive that it altered the lifestyle of those women such that being away from it for any real length of time is a concept that is so completely foreign to them, that it goes without saying. Of COURSE they should be allowed to smoke weed at my house because.... well, because they are weed smokers and they are addicted. And yes, they all risked many years of incarceration because they smuggled that weed onto plane and traveled cross country with it. That was how much they simply had to have it.

End. Of. Story.

You are a fool. Those women are your basis? Good lord.

Jungle Rat wrote:Since when did weed become addictive?

Scientists have estimated about 18 - 20% of HEAVY pot smokers are addicted. Alcohol is higher. Harder drugs, of course, are too. Marijuana addiction is more commonly confused with it being habitual. It is unlikely you would experience physical withdrawal symptoms stopping weed, unlike with caffeine, cigarettes, alcohol, pills and harder drugs. Also, most of the "addiction withdrawal" effects fall in the range of not being able to sleep and restlessness...akin to the effects of removing caffeine from your diet, if you were a large consumer of coffee.

There is physical addiction and psychological addiction. You can be psychologically addicted to anything.

Bklyn wrote:

Jungle Rat wrote:Since when did weed become addictive?

Scientists have estimated about 18 - 20% of HEAVY pot smokers are addicted. Alcohol is higher. Harder drugs, of course, are too. Marijuana addiction is more commonly confused with it being habitual. It is unlikely you would experience physical withdrawal symptoms stopping weed, unlike with caffeine, cigarettes, alcohol, pills and harder drugs. Also, most of the "addiction withdrawal" effects fall in the range of not being able to sleep and restlessness...akin to the effects of removing caffeine from your diet, if you were a large consumer of coffee.

We have a lot of bullshit, low paying, data entry jobs at my office, hire a lot of data entry temps. Woman across the street has her 21 year old juvie son living with her from her first marriage. Kid never worked a job in his life. I have an opportunity to get him a temp job doing data entry and she is thrilled and I make mention that (of course) he'll have to pass a drug test and this boys mom goes all ape shit on me saying I shouldn't have gotten her hopes up because (of course) he smokes pot, after all.... "doesn't every single 21 year old boy in America smoke Pot!" I said no. Conversation went downhill from there (kind of like me trying to talk to Rat or Hedge about anything in the world of reality.)

Apparently (given Bklyn's comments) what I should have said to her was the following: "Have your son go off the weed for 3 months until it is all out of his system, we'll get him a job and he'll pass the drug test." That might have been a better conversation given that he might not be "addicted." But now that I think of it, maybe the better place for the kid is not our office but instead, prison? (shrug)

"You are most likely NOT going to die cleaning your gutters"

According to this, there were 13,322 death due to falling in the year 2000. I think we should make stairs illegal. You know, to spare the fambly that potential tragedy...

http://danger.mongabay.com/injury_death.htm

According to that chart, there were 677 deaths due to accidental firearm discharge...

"Scientists have estimated about 18 - 20% of HEAVY pot smokers are addicted."

Using IB's deductive method, I can clearly stat that pot is not addictive b/c I've never seen an episode of Intervention where the drug was weed. I've seen all the hard drugs, I've seen anorexia, I've seen plenty of booze and there was one girl (the worst case of all the shows I've ever seen) who was addicted to canned air. Talk about fucked up. But I've never seen one episode where the fambly was at their wits end b/c a loved one was smoking too much weed...

AlabamAlum wrote:There is physical addiction and psychological addiction. You can be psychologically addicted to anything.

I picked a bad day to give up midget porn

I'm not a big NRA guy but this morning I decided maybe it was time to join.

So I went to their website and started filling out the form and I got down to the address line and then my Red Dawn movie moments kicked in.

If the government wants a list of gun owners, the first place they'll go to the is the NRA rolls.

so fuck joining the NRA.