The Goat Pen

innocentbystander wrote:Tick,

When I was expanding my office cleaning company, I would talk to prospective clients and they would sometimes ask if I carried any liability insurance. I told them no. And if they insisted upon it then we wouldn't do business. Simple as that. In only two cases (my not carrying insurance) was that a deal breaker.

I wasn't mandated to have it, although it might have made sense for me to carry it since I "owned" something (a business.) I was responsible, so I didn't need it.

bluetick wrote:And IB is doing the Lord's work with his tenents, so I'll leave him alone on the subject

Megan wrote:But the lock-in problem is not limited to people entering and exiting the industry; it also applies to people who want to enter and exit school districts. An excellent teacher whose spouse got transferred from New York to Massachusetts suddenly finds themselves at the bottom of the seniority/salary ladder once again, and the pension credits that they spent so much time accumulating are, if not worthless, at least considerably devalued.

Why would we want a school system where essentially everyone over the age of thirty is a lifer, locked into a single district?

bluetick wrote:::sigh::

States force people to buy insurance all the time. My state makes me buy liability insurance, and it also makes me buy workers compensation for my employees. And as of March 1st of this year, it was mandated that I had to buy WC for myself as well. (thanks be to you, our new "less-government" Republican legislature)

Dr. Strangelove wrote:Romney said he was pro-choice. But he was only lying in order to win back in '94. People will understand!

And yeah Romneycare is virtually the same thing as Obamacare, but it's not unconstitutional, which makes that understandable too. Plus he needed to stay in power in a liberal state. He's actually extremely conservative. He just hid those qualities in order to win and stay in office. LEADERSHIP

Owlman wrote:There is no Federal law mandating auto insurance.

That's not the question. The question is where in the Constitution that says they can't pass such a law? The purchase of insurance is clearly part of commerce, which is a power specifically delegated to the Legislature of the United States in Article I, section 8 of the Constitution. So unless there is somewhere in the Constitution that says they can't do it, then how is it unconstitutional?

10th Amendment? Where in the 10th Amendment?

(There is a legal argument on both sides, but most have no earthly idea what it is and just are spouting off).

puterbac wrote:

Dr. Strangelove wrote:Romney said he was pro-choice. But he was only lying in order to win back in '94. People will understand!

And yeah Romneycare is virtually the same thing as Obamacare, but it's not unconstitutional, which makes that understandable too. Plus he needed to stay in power in a liberal state. He's actually extremely conservative. He just hid those qualities in order to win and stay in office. LEADERSHIP

At least that was a state issue. The feds weren't forcing it. The state was. Therefore if the state constitution allows it and the people there want it..fine. Just pay for it yourselves.

Owlman wrote:The Tenth Amendment allows "the state" the Freedom to do things (things the Fed can NOT do) not already outlined in the US

That's the view of 5 of the justices since 1996 (Lopez), although Kennedy changes now and then and it also was the view of the the SCOTUS between 1890 and 1937. Of course for most of our country's history, the understanding of the 10th Amendment from the inception of the country up to 1890 and from 1937 to 1996 was specifically different. The 10th Amendment simply was a reiteration of the Constitution (how about that. This was the policy of the country about the amendment by many of the people alive when the amendment was passed).

Now, to say that this is an area that is reserved to the states means that it traditionally always has been reserved to the states. To say that about health care would also mean that medicare is also unconstitutional, something that has already been ruled on by the SCOTUS.

By the way, in practice, this is not a mandate. What it is a tax to a small percentage of people. Which ones? The people that don't have any health insurance. The power to tax is part of the Constitution. (by the way, your definition of regulate is far to narrow and not accepted by any court.