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[innocentbystander]

The makings of a good porn story:

Man Sues Counselor for Having Affair With His Wife

http://www.cafemom.com/articles/in_the_ ... _content=0

He actually has a case.

It is kind of like when you sue your financial planner for losing all your money when the planner puts the money into bad investments. The financial planner can say to the judge and jury "I'm just a salesman! I had no fiduciary responsibility to my client. My responsibility was to enrich myself with the most comissions I could get, not look out ofr his interests." That would be their defense and it isn't a good one. Planner can (and do) get clobbered in a courtroom.

Amy Remelle (the one who is sleeping with his ex-wife) has no defense. She can say she is not a professional couselor (whatever that is, I counsel people, big deal, I only hurt the rent seekers who seek counseling for pay) but that still doesn't protect Amy from liability. The fact that Amy is now licking this woman's pussy instead of her husband could mean (in a court room) that Amy took advantage of a vulnerable woman who put her inimate secrets in Amy's trust, and she corrupted that.

I think this guy will take Amy to the cleaners. If I am on that jury, I would give this guy Amy's house if she has one.

[Toemeesleather]

"The United States in on the verge of a oil /natural gas boom where we'll significantly reduce the amount of oil we import overseas."

But the price isn't going to go down because of that. Everybody is clamoring to "end dependence on middle eastern oil", but they're just going to be putting money into JR Ewing's pocket instead of Sheik Mohammad or whoever. What difference does it make? You think JR Ewing gives a shit about the average gas buyer? Hell naw....

Checked the price of natural gas lately?

Didn't think so.

[innocentbystander]

why do conservatives just want to cut gov't spending and taxes? why are they never for cutting prices? I spend much more money paying for shit that's way overpriced so the people who run those companies get richer and richer and pay their employees less and less. why is that not a problem for some people?

It isn't a problem (for me) because you have the freedom NOT TO BUY. Don't buy it if you think it is too expensive.

Yeah, I don't like paying high taxes or seeing that money being used frivolously but I really don't like paying $3.75/gal for gas that could easily cost $2/gal.

Price around. Get a Costco membership, I paid $2.97/gallon yesterday. Government had nothing to do with Costco's pricing.

Or $50 for a pair of fucking canvas low-top Chuck Taylors that cost less than half that not even 15 years ago.

Those low top Chuck Taylors cot $50 now because there are enough people (like you) willing to pay that price. There are a whole bunch of things I used to get (15 years ago) that I don't get today because I simply refuse to pay the price increase. Other people ARE willing to pay that price, good for them.

Seriously where's the outrage at the market that's gone so top heavy the average working man can barely afford anything? talk about hurting the economy, what's going to happen when most people can't afford to buy these overpriced products?

Don't buy them. Or buy them later. I'll explain.

I have the opportunity to get a Cadilac Escalade for $5000 (or best offer.) It is a 2005 and it is around the corner. My wife and I have talked about it and we continue to talk about it. Whoever this guy is, he paid the original $40,000 for that SUV that he is now willing to sell (to us) for 5K because that is all the market will bear. And perhaps it doesn't even bear that much since he hasn't sold it yet. Too bad for him. I'll tell you what though, no matter how much I love the new Escalade, you are never going to see me shell out the $55,000 that Cadilac is asking for it, not in this lifetime. But I know that someone else WILL pay that. So far be it for me to want government to step in and make me "whole" by penalizing Calidal for charging a high price for something that I am not willing to pay.

What do you want government to do, freeze all prices? Do you want government to socialize the enitre consumer market in the United States? I'm not sure what you are bitching about or what government should do about it?

[Saint]

true capitalism is the only way you're going to get cheaper prices but that is coupled with a whole host of problems that forces the government to get involved - unfair labor practices, pollution, taxes, monopolies, public safety.....

You're paying $3.75 a gallon because of a combination of taxes, EPA, unregulated speculators on a commodity, lobbyists representing oil companies and Environmentalists, and unstable conditions - much of which we caused in the middle east.

The United States in on the verge of a oil /natural gas boom where we'll significantly reduce the amount of oil we import overseas. Primarily oil production will come from North America - Canada, the U.S. and Mexico. But its not going to happen unless the existing oil giants get their cut.

exactly and that's why you have to have regulation, which too often ends up being as corrupt as the so-called true capitalism. the billionaire who made his money with an oil company in Ga. that I interviewed for a story last year told me that gas could be $2/gal but there's a lot of things that would have to be done differently to make it happen. it's like health care in that regard. it's hard to ask one group to take a hit for the greater good but unless things change, it's going to be a bad situation for everyone. so there's the motivation. it's just a matter of trying to make it work instead of going on what works now for a few.

[eCat]

"The United States in on the verge of a oil /natural gas boom where we'll significantly reduce the amount of oil we import overseas."

But the price isn't going to go down because of that. Everybody is clamoring to "end dependence on middle eastern oil", but they're just going to be putting money into JR Ewing's pocket instead of Sheik Mohammad or whoever. What difference does it make? You think JR Ewing gives a shit about the average gas buyer? Hell naw....

yea, $3 gas is here to stay but it might keep us from spending $250 billion a year on wars there in the middle east.

[Saint]

why do conservatives just want to cut gov't spending and taxes? why are they never for cutting prices? I spend much more money paying for shit that's way overpriced so the people who run those companies get richer and richer and pay their employees less and less. why is that not a problem for some people?

It isn't a problem (for me) because you have the freedom NOT TO BUY. Don't buy it if you think it is too expensive.

Yeah, I don't like paying high taxes or seeing that money being used frivolously but I really don't like paying $3.75/gal for gas that could easily cost $2/gal.

Price around. Get a Costco membership, I paid $2.97/gallon yesterday. Government had nothing to do with Costco's pricing.

Or $50 for a pair of fucking canvas low-top Chuck Taylors that cost less than half that not even 15 years ago.

Those low top Chuck Taylors cot $50 now because there are enough people (like you) willing to pay that price. There are a whole bunch of things I used to get (15 years ago) that I don't get today because I simply refuse to pay the price increase. Other people ARE willing to pay that price, good for them.

Seriously where's the outrage at the market that's gone so top heavy the average working man can barely afford anything? talk about hurting the economy, what's going to happen when most people can't afford to buy these overpriced products?

Don't buy them. Or buy them later. I'll explain.

I have the opportunity to get a Cadilac Escalade for $5000 (or best offer.) It is a 2005 and it is around the corner. My wife and I have talked about it and we continue to talk about it. Whoever this guy is, he paid the original $40,000 for that SUV that he is now willing to sell (to us) for 5K because that is all the market will bear. And perhaps it doesn't even bear that much since he hasn't sold it yet. Too bad for him. I'll tell you what though, no matter how much I love the new Escalade, you are never going to see me shell out the $55,000 that Cadilac is asking for it, not in this lifetime. But I know that someone else WILL pay that. So far be it for me to want government to step in and make me "whole" by penalizing Calidal for charging a high price for something that I am not willing to pay.

What do you want government to do, freeze all prices? Do you want government to socialize the enitre consumer market in the United States? I'm not sure what you are bitching about or what government should do about it?

and you're just a prime example of this works for me even though I haven't or am capable of understanding the bigger system so it just be allowed to continue in a manner that will cause our system to continue to deteriorate.

If I "don't buy" (and believe me I don't buy in many cases) and everyone does that, do you think our economy will not be hurt? just think how fucked up it would be if everyone practiced economic restraint and got rid of their credit cards, which are a horrible way to spend money. our system is based on debt but debt is a bad thing for an individual. sure, it's the only way most people can buy a home or a car but that system has mutated into a greed-fueled monster that is about to consume itself.

I just think it's ignorant to rant about high taxes and not want to work on ways to make affordable the things that have allowed the middle class to prosper in the past. this notion that the free market can correct itself and everyone should be able to fend for themselves is as shallow as the notion that communism is an ideal system.

[Toemeesleather]

I just think it's ignorant to rant about high taxes and not want to work on ways to make affordable the things that have allowed the middle class to prosper in the past. this notion that the free market can correct itself and everyone should be able to fend for themselves is as shallow as the notion that communism is an ideal system.


Good lord....things become affordable through competition, low barriers to markets, and better efficiencies....excessive taxes work against all these.

[innocentbystander]

true capitalism is the only way you're going to get cheaper prices but that is coupled with a whole host of problems that forces the government to get involved - unfair labor practices, pollution, taxes, monopolies, public safety.....

You're paying $3.75 a gallon because of a combination of taxes, EPA, unregulated speculators on a commodity, lobbyists representing oil companies and Environmentalists, and unstable conditions - much of which we caused in the middle east.

The United States in on the verge of a oil /natural gas boom where we'll significantly reduce the amount of oil we import overseas. Primarily oil production will come from North America - Canada, the U.S. and Mexico. But its not going to happen unless the existing oil giants get their cut.

exactly and that's why you have to have regulation, which too often ends up being as corrupt as the so-called true capitalism. the billionaire who made his money with an oil company in Ga. that I interviewed for a story last year told me that gas could be $2/gal but there's a lot of things that would have to be done differently to make it happen. it's like health care in that regard. it's hard to ask one group to take a hit for the greater good but unless things change, it's going to be a bad situation for everyone. so there's the motivation. it's just a matter of trying to make it work instead of going on what works now for a few.

Nixon freezed gasoline prices in 1973 when the US supported Israel in its Yom Kippor War. OPEC was the result of that support. This what the result of OPEC...









Jimmy Carter freezed gasoline prices in 1979 when the US had that little "issue" with Iran and their Shah. "Students" stormed our embassy and OPEC decided to cut off supply once again. This was the result....







There is one thing we learned about this: freezing prices in a free market economy doesn't work. At all. Ever. So we wont be doign that anymore.

[10ac]

We need us some commissars. That'll stop all this price gouging..

[eCat]

I'm convinced a combination of free market, unionization and little government interference is what lead to the growth of the middle class of the post war boom in the 50's.

But at that same time there were still serious pockets of poverty in this country, the economy grew at a slow but steady pace and the world was still so large we were largely unaffected by the global economy..

I'm a broken record on this but in order to grow the middle class, and alternately the tax revenue of this country, there has to be good paying jobs for the masses, and still today, those masses are people with little more than a high school education. As long as the easiest entry into the middle class is a college education tied to math , healthcare and science, we'll have to import our middle class from Asia because by and large Americans aren't capable of getting there.

Either we overhaul the education system to mandate that people get training that relates specifically to job skills in demand , change the pay scale of jobs that are available to the masses or we accept that we're going to see a continued decline in the middle class as cost of living, government expanse and global competition reduces their numbers. We'll see the ends of the spectrum increase as the number of poverty and the wealthiest Americans will increase.

Until we crack that nut, you're going to see a push for this idea that the wealthiest Americans need to foot the bill for the government's spending, and as long as people believe they can vote in prosperity for them by having a government that addresses their needs, its going to stay that way.

[eCat]

I have the opportunity to get a Cadilac Escalade for $5000 (or best offer.) It is a 2005 and it is around the corner. My wife and I have talked about it and we continue to talk about it. Whoever this guy is, he paid the original $40,000 for that SUV that he is now willing to sell (to us) for 5K because that is all the market will bear. And perhaps it doesn't even bear that much since he hasn't sold it yet. Too bad for him. I'll tell you what though, no matter how much I love the new Escalade, you are never going to see me shell out the $55,000 that Cadilac is asking for it, not in this lifetime. But I know that someone else WILL pay that

a friend of mine is always bragging to me about buying a $3000 Toyota pickup truck. That he'll never buy new thinks people are suckers for doing it. I can't say much as I mostly buy high end autos used. However the key piece to your example is that there has to be an American capable of paying $50K for an SUV so that you can buy it from him 10 years down the road for 1/5 of what he paid. You're living your frugal lifestyle off the rewards of a economic system that must continue to produce more and more people capable of paying that for the auto, because for every 1 of them , there are 7 people like you that are looking to live off the discards of his wealth.

[hedge]

"I just think it's ignorant to rant about high taxes and not want to work on ways to make affordable the things that have allowed the middle class to prosper"

Or you could do like Logan and move to the Philippines and have 4 teenage girls working for you for basically free, attending to you cooking, cleaning and anything else you require (ahem). I'm sure there are plenty of other places where a dollar will go a lot further than it does here. But most people end up getting shackled down with the wife and kids (they system which IB favors) and so they're stuck here forever fucking that same withered pussy year after year after year and the cute little kids turn out to be massive disappointments who end up living off of you until you're broke and then you die a slow painful death while your children laugh at you and put you in a rest home and steal your money....

[Bklyn]

Problem w/Medicare age raising...

http://t.co/yfwEPF9b

[innocentbystander]

I'm convinced a combination of free market, unionization and little government interference is what lead to the growth of the middle class of the post war boom in the 50's.

But at that same time there were still serious pockets of poverty in this country, the economy grew at a slow but steady pace and the world was still so large we were largely unaffected by the global economy..

I'm a broken record on this but in order to grow the middle class, and alternately the tax revenue of this country, there has to be good paying jobs for the masses, and still today, those masses are people with little more than a high school education. As long as the easiest entry into the middle class is a college education tied to math , healthcare and science, we'll have to import our middle class from Asia because by and large Americans aren't capable of getting there.

(shrugs shoulders)

We don't need more farmers. We grow more and more food on less and less farms on less and less land every year.

We don't need more machinists. What was once skilled is now general help.

We don't need more factory workers. We don't need more union men. We don't need the butcher, the baker, or the candlestick maker. A "baker" at my local Super-Wal-Mart is a 15 year old kid paid minimum wage with enough intelligence to follow a basic recipe and push buttons on an oven.

The ignorant need "well formed" jobs. Problem is, the more "well formed" it is, the easier it is for our technical society to automate said job out of existance. And if we can't do that, the more "well formed" that job is, the easier it is to teach that job to an even more ignorant person to drive down the compensation to minimum wage (or lower to "ZERO DOLLARS" in the case of unpaid interships where college educated kids to real work FOR FREE!)

We need computer scientists. We need bio-chem. We need network administrators. We need quality assurance. We need people who can "think" to work in jobs that are not so "well formed." The fact that "the masses" are too ignorant to do these things is an attack on our primary and secondary education system, not an attack on the people. If we can import this from India because THEY know how to do it, then obviously their education system has advanced past and exceeded ours. Time to fire all our home-ec, rhemedial math, and shop teachers, and get that 12 year old 7th grader to learn C#.

[eCat]

its not their education system - many of those people get their educations here.


and we do need more service sector people to fill jobs. If we didn't we wouldn't have this glut of illegal aliens from Mexico coming here to take jobs that don't pay shit. From meat packers to health care workers to hotel maids, there are many, many jobs that will not be automated.

The problem is there are too many people that think that a person with a high school education working at the bakery should be paid poverty wages because they haven't gone to college to become a computer scientist.
It doesn't address the reality of the situation, only an ideology that creates more economic disparity in this country and a vicious cycle of government dependency (which by and large the same people that rail the kid shouldn't be paid anything are also quick to point out we have too many people on government assistance).

So we can sit around and talk about how these 60% of Americans need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps while American business continue to hire illegal aliens, legislate anti-union policies and cut funding of education, while at the same time we complain about the 47% that believe the government should provide them with these crazy things like food, housing and healthcare - or we can start addressing where we are as a nation instead of where Fox News thinks we should be and creates its share of wealthy talking heads profiting from it.

[Owlman]

Problem w/Medicare age raising...

http://t.co/yfwEPF9b

Which is why doing it short term is a problem. To raise the age, you have to encourage people to still work and just as importantly, the job market to keep working them. That's why I was also proposing decreasing payroll taxes over 65 and increasing taxes (or in other words, not dropping them) at 59 1/2.

As for gas prices, we are in a global market. No matter what we do domestically, as long as the market worldwide keeps growing and our use keeps growing, then prices are not going to drop much, especially with speculation. Wind power and desalinization plants (our fresh water supply is also decreasing).

[innocentbystander]

its not their education system - many of those people get their educations here.

Exactly! But the education they are getting, is "higher" education. And the "higher" education they are getting is meaningful. NFW would Pujab be sent from Bombay to ASU to get a degree in "Women's Studies." Leave that bullshit for Lena Dunham and her "Girls" crowd who have parents that can subsidize their existance in New York City while interning for free.

and we do need more service sector people to fill jobs.

No. We do not.

If Coco's restaurant in Scottsdale hire's a contractor to manicure/sculpture their pristine landscaping, it is only because that contractor has hired illegals to do the work. Only that way can the contractor bid that work at a cheap enough price to "CREATE" a demand for that work. If that contractor had no illegals to choose from, then he would be forced to follow the law and pay at least minimum wage. And US citizens in Arizona are NOT willing to do backbreaking landscaping work for minimum wage. You'll get $15/hour. And at $15/hour, the contractor would NEVER be able to win that "bid" at Coco's Restaurant. The lawn would not be mown or it would be done by the manager "...when he got around to it." They are not going to pay any REAL MONEY to have that work done because it is unnecessary. Bottom line, that landscaping "yob" should not exist.

These are not "jobs." These are "yobs." The only reason we have "yobs" is because we have a perminant underclass of servant beings willing to break the law and enter our country unlawfully and give up their lives to be our servants. And they do that because their 3rd world shithole is so close to our 1st world Rome. They vote with their feet.

If we didn't we wouldn't have this glut of illegal aliens from Mexico coming here to take jobs that don't pay shit. From meat packers to health care workers to hotel maids, there are many, many jobs that will not be automated.

We don't need all these hotels. Maids were never well paid (worked just for tips) because any brain-dead person can make a bed. That is not a job worthy of earning a living.

Meat packing used to be well paid when it was unionized and localized in the rust belt. No more. It is now done in Greely Colorado and done by illegals because those jobs are "well formed." You can teach the brain dead how to kill and butcher a cow. So a "job" has turned into a "yob." At some point, even that "yob" will be done by a robot.

The problem is there are too many people that think that a person with a high school education working at the bakery should be paid poverty wages because they haven't gone to college to become a computer scientist.

No, they are paid poverty wages because I refuse to pay more than $5.99 for a Pumpkin Pie. That is the "price." If you raise it (to pay the baker more) I'll say "...fuck you, I'll bake my own pie." You can't force me to pay more or a pie, or a cake (or a loaf of bread.) I only buy it because it's so cheap. Otherwise, I'll make it myself. People used to do that when we had "bakers" when Supermarkets didn't have all this automated into "well formed" jobs.

It doesn't address the reality of the situation, only an ideology that creates more economic disparity in this country and a vicious cycle of government dependency (which by and large the same people that rail the kid shouldn't be paid anything are also quick to point out we have too many people on government assistance).

The kid is going "kid work." Kid work is done by kids who aren't paid enough to "think." If he could think, he could do real work and make real money.

So we can sit around and talk about how these 60% of Americans need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps

They can't because they pussied out in college and took Women's Studies classes instead of getting a man's education (a meaningful education) which teaches you how to think and reason logically. The future jobs of America that pay living wages are jobs that are not "well formed." If you only want to do a "well formed" job, then you will compete with 15 year old kids provided you can pry them away from the X-Box.

while American business continue to hire illegal aliens, legislate anti-union policies and cut funding of education

Most of these teachers are helping. I want my 12 year old to know C# not Home-Ec. We can't fire them, they are tenured. And they have no clue how to teach kids to do stuff that is meaningful as many of these teachers have never done anything meaningful in their lives. They know nothing about business.

while at the same time we complain about the 47% that believe the government should provide them with these crazy things like food, housing and healthcare - or we can start addressing where we are as a nation instead of where Fox News thinks we should be and creates its share of wealthy talking heads profiting from it.

It comes back to the individual making poor choices. They can do for themselves but they pussy out and complain that things aren't given to them. You sound like the 21 year old that lives across the street complaining he can't get an office job because everyone wants him to take a drug test. He smokes pot and his parents think that is okay, so he smokes. And he can't get a job. And he bitches to me how life is so fucking unfair and he can't get his shot.

[hedge]

"Problem is, the more "well formed" it is, the easier it is for our technical society to automate said job out of existance."

You're right that technology and science has pretty much made many jobs obsolete without creating a need for a commensurate number of different jobs (seriously, how many network administrators does anybody need?) It no longer takes 200 minimum wage laborers (or slaves) to pick 200 acres of cotton, now you can plant and pick 2000 acres with 4 guys and 2 combines. Same thing applies for almost all agriculture except shit they haven't been able to figure out how to pick with a machine, like sweet potatoes and cucumbers. This is what happens when Sky Net takes over. The best government can do is try to keep the cows calm and on water with a minimal monthly food and cash subsidy to keep the masses from revolting. And why would they want to when they're getting food and housing, internet and cell phone? Best to keep them docile if there's no jobs to be had. Nobody said it would be free, but it's better than rioting in the streets and revolution...

[Saint]

but we're not paying excessive taxes. that people think we are is indicative of the level of greed that is usurping our economic system, one that is in danger of no longer being able to support itself. that is the problem we're facing and the fact that simpletons continue to mewl they're being overtaxed as the biggest problem we're facing means we are not going to be an economic power much longer.

I'm not proposing any solutions, only recognizing the problem for what it is instead of posting inane drivel like this: "They can't because they pussied out in college and took Women's Studies classes instead of getting a man's education (a meaningful education) which teaches you how to think and reason logically."

so if everyone did as you said, then they'd all over good jobs? then who the fuck would clean the bathrooms at Walmart, dipshit?

[eCat]

but we're not paying excessive taxes. that people think we are is indicative of the level of greed that is usurping our economic system, one that is in danger of no longer being able to support itself. that is the problem we're facing and the fact that simpletons continue to mewl they're being overtaxed as the biggest problem we're facing means we are not going to be an economic power much longer.

I'm not proposing any solutions, only recognizing the problem for what it is instead of posting inane drivel like this: "They can't because they pussied out in college and took Women's Studies classes instead of getting a man's education (a meaningful education) which teaches you how to think and reason logically."

so if everyone did as you said, then they'd all over good jobs? then who the fuck would clean the bathrooms at Walmart, dipshit?

I guess it depends on your perspective. For every dollar I earn, the fed gets a cut, the state, the township, and then when I spend it, the state gets another cut in sales tax. Yearly I pay taxes on my property, my car and then there is no shortage of taxes I pay on VAT, gas, various fees for parks, tolls, etc.,

I'm sure with my middle class salary, my perspective is much different from the guy making minimum wage or the business owner with 75 employees and takes home 500K a year but I believe we are way over taxed - and compared to socialist countries where the tax rate is 60%, we get very little in return for it - education isn't free, health care isn't free, matter of fact both of them have have decades long cost increases well above inflation put out of reach by the basic American by the governments use of tax dollars to subsidize them..

I believe we need to drastically cut taxes - this is where I align with the GOP, but I also expect huge cuts in the government to account for it. This is where I differ from the GOP. The GOP has shown time and time again they have no interest in cutting the size and scope of our government. The tea party has people that do but as long as they are led by morons like Sara Palin, they'll never get serious traction and will attract as many anarchist extremists as they do serious members.