Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

[crashcourse]

interesting watching the PBS series on clinton--second part is tonight. his key to starting a economic boon resulting in the last surplus was reducing spending and increasing taxes--created more jobs (30 mil?) then any other president. course the rise of the internet had nothing to do with it.

they are being pretty fair on the portrayl and part 2 with monica/benladen/impeachment airs tonight

[Professor Tiger]

How appropriate that a discussion of liberals moving South should suddenly swerve to PBS.

[bluetick]

[Professor Tiger]

...is everything.

BTW, we are days away from the Michigan primary, and Romney is running behind Santorum.

So Mitt is getting ready to go through this drill, again:

[bluetick]

Coming Soon!

The War on Contraception, Disc 1: The Generals

[Toemeesleather]

[Professor Tiger]

^^^^^See the vengeance of Big Oil for Obama's rejection of Keystone.

[puterbac]

Could someone tell me wtf happened to Oprama and his "Manhattan" style project for energy?

The one damned thing I agreed with him on and there has been no action on it at all.

Oh and FTR...if we had started on ANWR in 2001 as we should have we would have been getting 500k to 1 million barrels a day since 2008 and for the next 25-50 years.

Dunno about a nuclear Renaissance but the first nuclear permit in over 30 years was issued last week.

I'm talking about 15 billion a year doled out to National Labs and Univeristy's for basic research into ANY form of energy production, efficiency, etc. Its a peanut on the floor as far as the budget goes, but its far to costly and high risk for private money to finance such research.

Everything should be on the table from fossil fuel (ALL fuels - oil, coal, nat gas, etc) supply/production, nuclear (traveling wave, fission/fusion), wind, geo, wave, solar, improvements in efficiency of engines, etc. Dole out some grants to those ideas that the labs think has some merit to it and see what we can find out. Let the people doing the work and research have a 50% or greater ownership in what they are able to produce.

But we need the basic research to really advance so we can reduce or eliminate our need to deal with people that hate us and then we could give two shits about the middle east other than Israel.

Is that such a hard thing to propose? Would anyone really campaign against it?

[Dr. Strangelove]

Some Christian universities are vowing to drop their healthcare plans entirely rather than give their students condoms

They are keeping Jesus' teachings in mind here. He was particularly scornful of contraception in portions of Matthew

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/not- ... 19956.html

[Dr. Strangelove]

Socially, they may be more liberal, but economically they are conservative. They are usually entrepeneurial and that's what drives them down here. Trust me, North Carolina is fiscally conservative and getting more so each day.

I posted the unemployment figures about a week ago and the South is pretty consistently worse than the North. The Carolinas have a particularly grim employment outlook and I know South Carolina, at least, had a state budget that was all screwed up.

How is this possible in the more entrepreneurial South?

[Professor Tiger]

Some Christian universities are vowing to drop their healthcare plans entirely rather than give their students condoms

They are keeping Jesus' teachings in mind here. He was particularly scornful of contraception in portions of Matthew

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/not- ... 19956.html

I am not terribly surprised that some fundamentalist protestant colleges would object to the government forcing them to give away free condoms to their students. Unlike the Catholics, the evangelicals aren't opposed to married couples using birth control. But they would definitely be opposed to the government forcing them to give free condoms to their single students. They understandably see that as facilitating fornication. (I'm sure, as a scholar of the Gospel according St. Matthew, you already know Jesus was opposed to fornication too.)

Religious colleges and hospitals have every right to believe that and practice that. It's no business of the federal government to impose its secular feminist agenda on them or any other church, or mosque or synagogue.

It's not like birth control is illegal. If women want to have birth control, they can damn well go out and buy it. They have no right to demand that ANYBODY else pay for their recreation, much less religions that oppose it.

[Dr. Strangelove]

If anyone has a moral or religious objection to anything should they also have a right to withhold their tax money going towards it?

I mean, churches don't pay taxes (more evidence that churches are persecuted in today's godless America), but their parishioners still do. So one way or another, they will be taxed, and a portion of that tax money will go towards contraception, whether its through Obamacare or through welfare/medicaid for the poor.

[puterbac]

No comments on the 15 billion a year for energy research?

Tools

[Dr. Strangelove]

No comments on the 15 billion a year for energy research?

Tools

How can you be thinking of energy research at a time when the Nazis in Washington are eradicating religion in Amurrica?

[Dr. Strangelove]

On another note, Drudge seems to be doing his best to sink the Santorum challenge to Romney. His site has had a lot of stuff on it lately designed to paint Santorum negatively. There's some weird stories up there right now about Rick claiming Satan had descended upon America back in 2008 or some junk like that.

[10ac]

Where is he getting these storiesl?

[sardis]

Socially, they may be more liberal, but economically they are conservative. They are usually entrepeneurial and that's what drives them down here. Trust me, North Carolina is fiscally conservative and getting more so each day.

I posted the unemployment figures about a week ago and the South is pretty consistently worse than the North. The Carolinas have a particularly grim employment outlook and I know South Carolina, at least, had a state budget that was all screwed up.

How is this possible in the more entrepreneurial South?

Yes, it is a little bit of a challenge to keep unemployment down while absorbing the migration from the North; however, we're pretty confident we'll manage with our right to work, nonunion state. Oh, btw, thanks to Ohio for the Chiquita headquarters that is moving down herein a few months....

[sardis]

Any dissenting views need not to be tolerated...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... raham.html

[Jungle Rat]

You can have them. Hope they survive the length of the agreement.

[puterbac]

A serious question: Is the purpose of taxes to punish people, or to raise the most revenue in the most efficient manner?

I ask cause I'm curious about the Laffer Curve and whether you guys accept the premise of it. Not actual rates, but just the premise of it.

On a different note...49.6% pay NO federal income taxes. This is a BAD BAD thing. If they pay nothing in, wtf would they care ANYTHING about tax rates?

You will also notice that the percentage of people paying no income taxes SOARED after W's tax cuts. So as I stated many times W's tax cuts were by definition PROGRESSIVE. The Dims should be sucking his wang instead of hiterlizing him.

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