The Goat Pen

the timing on all this is odd, especially since Coker is now lost for the season and the new backup is a true freshman with less than a half dozen game snaps

something else that is odd is that TMZ got involved 11/11/13 and not back in Dec '12...what/who drove their sudden interest?

I suspect the victim was dissatisfied that the police dismissed it and asked them to dig into it.

It's probably Urban Meyer paying the "victim" to cause trouble hoping it will help him to somehow jump FSU in the polls.

Wouldn't be surprising

Latest rumors:

Winston has never denied having sex with the girl. They had been "dating" for a period of time before the "incident". The night in question was right before his long distance GF was coming to visit - he (and possibly his roommate, Chad Abram, whose description more closely matches the police report) was having relations with her in her apartment, then told her she'd have to lay low for a while during the GF visit. She got pissed and claimed rape and called the police. After calling, she changed her mind but went through with the report once the cops got there, but had changed her story to an "unknown male".

The TPD had a presser yesterday where they said the girl had asked the case to be closed in February, directly conflicting with the statement she/her family released yesterday. Winston's attorney has indicated that two sworn witness affidavits have been given to the police, reportedly one of them is from the girl's former roommate.

In addition, if the girl who has been identified on the intrawebs is in fact the accuser, there are pictures of her going to a game three weeks ago to cheer on her team. In addition, her best friend just went to a formal sorority event with Kenny Shaw, one of Jameis' favorite receivers.

The said thing is that even if all the above is true and the police and SAO know it, he will still be arrested and charged.

If her best friend went to a formal with Shaw, you must call off the law!

You are no Johnny Cochran, fine sir!

"If her best friend went to a formal with Shaw, you must call off the law!"

The Shaw of Iran?

KeviNole wrote:Latest rumors:

Winston has never denied having sex with the girl. They had been "dating" for a period of time before the "incident". The night in question was right before his long distance GF was coming to visit - he (and possibly his roommate, Chad Abram, whose description more closely matches the police report) was having relations with her in her apartment, then told her she'd have to lay low for a while during the GF visit. She got pissed and claimed rape and called the police. After calling, she changed her mind but went through with the report once the cops got there, but had changed her story to an "unknown male".

The TPD had a presser yesterday where they said the girl had asked the case to be closed in February, directly conflicting with the statement she/her family released yesterday. Winston's attorney has indicated that two sworn witness affidavits have been given to the police, reportedly one of them is from the girl's former roommate.

In addition, if the girl who has been identified on the intrawebs is in fact the accuser, there are pictures of her going to a game three weeks ago to cheer on her team. In addition, her best friend just went to a formal sorority event with Kenny Shaw, one of Jameis' favorite receivers.

The said thing is that even if all the above is true and the police and SAO know it, he will still be arrested and charged.

Here's the thing, the "elephant in the room" so to speak:

If you believe (as I do) that women lack moral agency (they generally lack it, have lacked moral agency since Eve listened to Lucifer, told God to screw, ate the apple, and offered it to Adam) the only difference between a consentual sex act between two 18 year old kids and an 18 year old boy raping an 18 year old girl, is the fact that the two are no longer fucking each other, the girl takes notice how successful and promising the boy's future looks, and she wants to find a way to extract some piece of wealth from that boy's promising future.

That is basically what we are talking about here. It is not rape or regret so much that it is (perhaps) regret on her part that he didn't stick around after she let him stick it in....

Anyway, glossing over that last post...I thought that KeviNole was putting his eggs in the "Winston is 6'4", it cant be him!" basket anyway after I said that I didn't think there was any doubt that it was him.

Ha, wow. TMZ now has a story up that the accuser had no prior relationship with Winston, and in fact did not know him, and that the relationship trail on Facebook that everyone is following and posting a picture of him dancing with "the accuser" in a nightclub is not even her but some other girl.

Bravo FSU fan. Nice job poking into some girl's business who may have nothing to do with this, and plastering her face everywhere as the accuser in the name of clearing your quarterback.

http://www.tmz.com/2013/11/21/jameis-wi ... t-me-rape/

None of this shit should be playing out in the public. I realize that ship has sailed on any case involving a celebrity but its bullshit that Winston is being slandered while he may be innocent - but the accuser can remain anonymous (which she should - not saying that)

Anybody who has leaked this shit to the press should be fired, never to work again.

Dr. Nostron wrote:None of this shit should be playing out in the public. I realize that ship has sailed on any case involving a celebrity but its bullshit that Winston is being slandered while he may be innocent - but the accuser can remain anonymous (which she should - not saying that)

Anybody who has leaked this shit to the press should be fired, never to work again.

Well that might very well be true, but the only reason why any of us know about this is because there is a market for this kind of news. Its in "the public" because the "victim's lawyer" probably put it there to generate as much sympathy as he can to crank up the eventual out-of-court civil settlement. Most likely, the only real difference here in this particular sexual assult accusation (vs the one that occured with Kobe Bryant) will be in the scope of the dollar figure awarded to the "victim." Jameis Winston isn't worth Kobe Bryant money and he might never be worth that much. But he is worth tens of millions (eventually) to some NFL team. This girl is just being opportunitstic in trying to get a piece of that. Shame on Jameis for putting himself in a situation to allow that to happen.

This is just about money. If she had actually BEEN raped the first thing she would have done (the instant Jameis violated her) was go to the emergency room of the nearest hospital and then the police. Jameis is arrested THAT NIGHT. That never happened because she wasn't raped. What she did (instead) is calculatingly save the unwashed panties that his semen leaked out of her vagina all over, get a lawyer, and THEN (weeks later) talk to the DA. As a result, there will be no jail time for Jameis as the DA would never be able to get a conviction, no chance. I'm no lawyer and I could get him acquitted anywhere. There will be a civil suit and some money will change hands down the line is all....

This is just about money. If she had actually BEEN raped the first thing she would have done (the instant Jameis violated her) was go to the emergency room of the nearest hospital and then the police. Jameis is arrested THAT NIGHT. That never happened because she wasn't raped. What she did (instead) is calculatingly save the unwashed panties that his semen leaked out of her vagina all over, get a lawyer, and THEN (weeks later) talk to the DA. As a result, there will be no jail time for Jameis as the DA would never be able to get a conviction, no chance. I'm no lawyer and I could get him acquitted anywhere. There will be a civil suit and some money will change hands down the line is all....

I love how you wrap some facts that you made up around your fucked up world view.

Deadspin just jumped on the bandwagon by publishing something written by an FSU prof who wildly throws some almost incoherent haymakers at the program. He apparently teaches Writin' 101 at this prestigious institution.

http://deadspin.com/jameis-winston-isnt ... 1467707410

atm wrote:

This is just about money. If she had actually BEEN raped the first thing she would have done (the instant Jameis violated her) was go to the emergency room of the nearest hospital and then the police. Jameis is arrested THAT NIGHT. That never happened because she wasn't raped. What she did (instead) is calculatingly save the unwashed panties that his semen leaked out of her vagina all over, get a lawyer, and THEN (weeks later) talk to the DA. As a result, there will be no jail time for Jameis as the DA would never be able to get a conviction, no chance. I'm no lawyer and I could get him acquitted anywhere. There will be a civil suit and some money will change hands down the line is all....

I love how you wrap some facts that you made up around your fucked up world view.

Deadspin just jumped on the bandwagon by publishing something written by an FSU prof who wildly throws some almost incoherent haymakers at the program. He apparently teaches Writin' 101 at this prestigious institution.

http://deadspin.com/jameis-winston-isnt ... 1467707410

Love whatever you want aTm. When a woman is REALLY RAPED she damn well knows she's raped. And she doesn't go get a lawyer, NOR does she go to the rape crisis center at the school (the only reason that center exists is because at universities, they know the majority of these assaults are nothing of the kind and will never be prosecuted in a real court of law because your later regret at consentual sex does not equal rape.) If she is actually raped, she goes to the hospital and the police. If you can't "wrap" yourself around that, I don't know what to tell you.

This is about money. I'm not really interested to read what an FSU prof has to say about it. This is an open-and-shut money grab by a woman from a man by way of the courts and the media. If Jameis had any balls he'd tell her that she gets nothing, sue me, and then she has to actually go to court in which case she'd get nothing (because its consentual sex.) Worst of all, it becomes a public record and everyone will know that she is as much a money grubbing bitch as Anita Hill or Crystal Gail Magnum.

The girl in that photo is NOT the one that has been (rightly or wrongly) identified as the accuser. There ARE pictures of him and her together, including several submitted by Winston to his attorney (along with texts, etc.).

At the time of the accusation, Winston was a promising prospect but was still the 4th string QB (Manual -> Trickett -> Coker -> Winston) and hadn't yet played on the baseball team either. IF the story that is making the rounds is somewhat/mostly true, then her motivation for initially reporting the incident was anger and revenge, not financial.

Keep in mind that she has not even spoken to the state attorney office after the case was dumped in their lap by the TPD. As far as anyone knows, she is not personally interested in bringing charges against him - she personally asked the TPD to drop the case in February (according to TPD though her auntie lawyer refuted it yesterday).

I thought that KeviNole was putting his eggs in the "Winston is 6'4", it cant be him!" basket anyway after I said that I didn't think there was any doubt that it was him.

At the time, the redacted police report merely had a description of a dark-skinned male, 5-9" to 5-11", 240 pounds, with 6" straight hair. That is how SHE described her "attacker" hours after the "attack". She also claimed she was sober - no person on the planet would identify Jameis Winston based on that description. The only conclusion that could be drawn is that she was extremely intoxicated on something or lying.

The only plausible scenario in which Winston did anything wrong is the one I described above where they in fact did know each other, and he had sex with her without her consent on that particular evening. Then after calling the police, she changed her mind about identifying/prosecuting him and made up the "unknown male" story, then a month later changed her mind again and identified him. If that is in fact what happened, he needs to go to jail. However her story has been so inconsistent and fraught with lies since the beginning that I don't see how a conviction could even be obtained if that were what happened.

Its in "the public" because the "victim's lawyer" probably put it there to generate as much sympathy as he can to crank up the eventual out-of-court civil settlement.

Her lawyer is her aunt. It's a bit humorous to me that a relatively unknown reporter from Tampa unearthed this story to the shock and horror of her family, then they grant him an exclusive statement to release yesterday. He is a family friend or a friend of a friend... And I don't believe the girl herself initiated this thing and the fact that the SAO has yet to talk to her indicates she's still not interested in pursuing it criminally.

KeviNole wrote:Keep in mind that she has not even spoken to the state attorney office after the case was dumped in their lap by the TPD. As far as anyone knows, she is not personally interested in bringing charges against him - she personally asked the TPD to drop the case in February (according to TPD though her auntie lawyer refuted it yesterday).

That's even worse for her then. A woman gets raped, first thing she thinks of is trying to prevent this from happening again to the next woman. You press charges immediately, arrest the bastard. Get that fucking piece of shit off the street. Any woman who was actually raped would do this. If she is not doing this, then it is for one of two reasons: #1) she knows she wasn't raped and he isn't a rapist and she doesn't want this to be a public record or #2) the FSU rape crisis center talked her out of pressing charges after they talked to her because THEY KNOW she wasn't raped and she would be making a fool of herself.

Rape is serious. A deadly serious felony. Years in jail. Rape is a capital crime in some states (yes possibly punishible by death.) The DA isn't going to do that, but they could. To pass this story around town and NOT speak to the state attorney! Why not? He's a rapist, right?

KeviNole wrote:The only plausible scenario in which Winston did anything wrong is the one I described above where they in fact did know each other, and he had sex with her without her consent on that particular evening. Then after calling the police, she changed her mind about identifying/prosecuting him and made up the "unknown male" story, then a month later changed her mind again and identified him. If that is in fact what happened, he needs to go to jail. However her story has been so inconsistent and fraught with lies since the beginning that I don't see how a conviction could even be obtained if that were what happened.

He is not going to jail even if she pressed charges which she won't. This is not rape. This is a money grab. A woman raped goes to the hospital and then the police that night (or the next morning when she comes to after her drunken stupor.) A woman raped does not call the police and make up a bullshit story about the rapist especially when she knows exactly who he is. He is either a rapist or he isn't. And by her actions, he isn't.

Keeping the panties for DNA testing months after? I'm sure Jameis had sex with her. So to NOT talk to the DA? She is being calculating, trying to get money, not remotely interested in getting a rapist off the street.