The Goat Pen

Along these lines, I got a idea: let's start a contest. Let's think of all the liberal special interest groups, and come up with federal mandates for them to pay for things that they utterly abhor. Then come up with a"right" that justifies it.

I'll start the ball rolling. President Marco Rubio announces that all unions in the US must stop all collection of all dues from their members. By Executive Order, all union membership must be free of charge. After all, the wealthy 1% don't have to pay union dues. Why should the working class have to pay union dues while the bosses get off scot free? Abolishing union dues would remove this unbearable burden from people who can least afford it.

The possibilities of doing to liberals what they tried to do to the Catholic Church are nearly endless. Here are some more:

Force the ACLU to pay for Gitmo.

Require La Raza to pay for a border fence.

Mandate that the Rainbow Coalition fund a statue of Lester Maddox.

Make Lambda and GLAAD pay for programs that "cure" homosexuality.

Force colleges to establish "White Heterosexual Male Studies" programs and degrees. Students majoring in these programs will receive full scholarships.

Require environmentalist organizations to pay for the construction of coal power plants and offshore drilling.

Mandate that all anti-war organizations fund the construction ballistic missile submarines.

Force the entertainment industry to make all their music and movies downloadable from the internet free of charge.

I'd give the churches a choice of giving up the right to prevent their employees from birth control coverage or the right to continue a tax-free existence.

Guess which one I think they'd prefer to preserve?

You guys just spent your Saturday debating about birth control and churches and government. It's no wonder this country is so fucked up. If you really wanted to help change your country you wouldn't be spending your Saturday bitching about it on a message board. You'd be out there doing something about it. Keep up the good fight though, and learn how to speak Chinese.

oprama was counting on prof's vote in the looming contest with Mitt. Sadly, that outcome is looking less likely by the post.

Jungle Rat wrote:You guys just spent your Saturday debating about birth control and churches and government. It's no wonder this country is so fucked up. If you really wanted to help change your country you wouldn't be spending your Saturday bitching about it on a message board. You'd be out there doing something about it. Keep up the good fight though, and learn how to speak Chinese.

We finally had winter here so golf was out. Did get to watch UT maul Biwwy's gang though (in the Odome no less) - so the day wasn't a total loss.

Dr. Strangelove wrote:I'd give the churches a choice of giving up the right to prevent their employees from birth control coverage or the right to continue a tax-free existence.

Guess which one I think they'd prefer to preserve?

First of all, that makes no sense. That's like saying I give you a choice of burning your house down or raping your wife, neither choice is legally right. Second, there is such a thing as the 1st amendment which I'm sure is beside the point to your social engineering goals that include blotting out anything relating to God in society.

For years you guys have been arguing that religion should be out of government. No prayer in public schools, no 10 commandments on the wall of the courthouse, etc. and you guys had an argument based on the 1st amendment and you guys won. Now, evidently, that's not enough for you. You are violating your own past arguments.

Force Jeremiah Wright's church to pay for Tea Party rallies. After all, it's the right of Tea Partiers to free assembly, right?

This is sooo sad. I don't see how the government can sit idly by while the Catholic Church imposes their own morality on its parishioners...I mean, don't they know that the all benevolent government lets them be tax exempt? How dare they...


http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/0 ... leads.html

Dr. Strangelove wrote:I'd give the churches a choice of giving up the right to prevent their employees from birth control coverage or the right to continue a tax-free existence.

Guess which one I think they'd prefer to preserve?

I'm sorry but how is it preventing their employees from bc coverage? Go get a different job if if it's that important where they do cover what u want. they are not forced to work there. This coverage issue outside of the first and religion is no different than wishing your employer offered more vacation or covered some other elective procedure. Go find a job that has the benefits you want. It is no business of govt. please tell me why it is?

My guess is they probably don't cover sex change operations or LASIK or any other number of things. Should the govt step in and demand they must for free or otherwise?

If eliminating unwanted pregancies is social engineering, then I say giddy-up.

or woo-WOO...or All Aboard!

Jungle Rat wrote:You guys just spent your Saturday debating about birth control and churches and government. It's no wonder this country is so fucked up. If you really wanted to help change your country you wouldn't be spending your Saturday bitching about it on a message board. You'd be out there doing something about it. Keep up the good fight though, and learn how to speak Chinese.

::: shrugs :::

Make that a whole weekend. What is wrong with you people? Why can't people just stay out of other peoples business and worry about there own selves? Tell ya what. You don't tell me how to live my life and I won't tell you how to live yours. Deal?

bluetick wrote:If eliminating unwanted pregancies is social engineering, then I say giddy-up.

or woo-WOO...or All Aboard!

1st amendment be damned...

Jungle Rat wrote:

Jungle Rat wrote:You guys just spent your Saturday debating about birth control and churches and government. It's no wonder this country is so fucked up. If you really wanted to help change your country you wouldn't be spending your Saturday bitching about it on a message board. You'd be out there doing something about it. Keep up the good fight though, and learn how to speak Chinese.

::: shrugs :::

Make that a whole weekend. What is wrong with you people? Why can't people just stay out of other peoples business and worry about there own selves? Tell ya what. You don't tell me how to live my life and I won't tell you how to live yours. Deal?

We would love for government to leave us alone..

Jungle Rat wrote:

Jungle Rat wrote:You guys just spent your Saturday debating about birth control and churches and government. It's no wonder this country is so fucked up. If you really wanted to help change your country you wouldn't be spending your Saturday bitching about it on a message board. You'd be out there doing something about it. Keep up the good fight though, and learn how to speak Chinese.

::: shrugs :::

Make that a whole weekend. What is wrong with you people? Why can't people just stay out of other peoples business and worry about there own selves? Tell ya what. You don't tell me how to live my life and I won't tell you how to live yours. Deal?

Did ya read what fuckin wrote? That is all myself and prof have been saying. Govt should stay the hell out of it. Thanks or agreeing.

Obama “accommodation”: Insurers must cover contraception at no cost to … anyone?;

Update: “Magical thinking,” says LA Times

POSTED AT 1:20 PM ON FEBRUARY 10, 2012 BY ED MORRISSEY

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/02/10/o ... to-anyone/


So these employers will still have to provide the health insurance, and the health insurance must cover the contraception and abortifacients.  The White House apparently wants t pretend that the funds for these outlays will come off of the Unobtanium Tree, where insurers find money to cover all mandates.  This exposes once again a stunning ignorance of risk pools and how costs are passed along to consumers.

Let’s just take this one step at a time.  Where do insurers get money to pay claims?  They collect premiums and co-pays from the insured group or risk pool.  No matter what the Obama administration wants to say now, the money that will cover those contraception costs will come from the religious organizations that must now by law buy that insurance and pay those premiums.  Their religious doctrines have long-standing prohibitions against participating in contraception and abortion, and nothing in this “accommodation” changes the fact that the government is now forcing them to both fund and facilitate access to products and services that offend their practice of religion.

Basically, the Obama administration told religious organizations to stop complaining and get in line.  This “accommodation” only attempts to accommodate Obama’s political standing and nothing more.

Also, let me emphasize one point that this does not address.  The government is forcing religious organizations to both pay for and facilitate activities that violate their religious doctrine.  If anyone thinks that passes muster with the First Amendment, that’s even more magical thinking than this funding shell game.

sardis wrote:

bluetick wrote:If eliminating unwanted pregancies is social engineering, then I say giddy-up.

or woo-WOO...or All Aboard!

1st amendment be damned...

Mandating Blue Cross Aetna Cigna United Healthcare etc to eliminate copays for selected preventive measures in the area of women's reproductive health doesn't run afoul of the First Amendment.

The histrionics by a few of you yahoos really is off the charts. Threats of riots, sex changes, President Rubio and chasity belts. Muslims having to buy pork. Free knee replacements. Bullets for the poor. Seriously - wtf?

Just stop it. You've even got rat rattled.

So women are going to get a good deal on their BCs. You can still buy all the guns you can carry. And cigarettes, liquor, Big Macs, porn, Cheese Whiz, silly string...all the good shit the government was supposedly going to take from you. Why not call it good.

Mark Steyn: Obama goes Henry VIII on the church

http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/churc ... holic.html


If you're an atheist or one of America's ever more lapsed Catholics, you're probably shrugging: what's the big deal? But the new Act of Supremacy doesn't stop with religious institutions. As Anthony Picarello, general counsel for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, put it: "If I quit this job and opened a Taco Bell, I'd be covered by this mandate." And so would any of his burrito boys who object to being forced to make "health care" arrangements at odds with their conscience.

None of this should come as a surprise. As Philip Klein pointed out in the American Spectator two years ago, the Obamacare bill contained 700 references to the Secretary "shall," another 200 to the Secretary "may," and 139 to the Secretary "determines." So the Secretary may and shall determine pretty much anything she wants, as the Obamaphile rubes among the Catholic hierarchy are belatedly discovering. His Majesty King Barack "shall have full power and authority to visit, repress, redress, record, order, correct, restrain and amend all such errors, heresies, abuses, offenses, contempts and enormities whatsoever they be." In my latest book, I cite my personal favorite among the epic sweep of Commissar Sebelius' jurisdictional authority:
"The Secretary shall develop oral healthcare components that shall include tooth-level surveillance."

Before Obama's Act of Supremacy did the English language ever have need for such a phrase? "Tooth-level surveillance": From the Declaration of Independence to dentured servitude in a mere quarter-millennium.

Tick is morphing into lrd.

I'm still waiting for one of you to tell me why it is any business of govt to try and force their nose in this at all lot alone with respect to religious organizations.

Religious, Political Storm Spurs Obama Reversal
by Ben Fuller -AP

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Leaders from opposite sides of the divisive debate said they supported the [compromise] outcome -- or at least suggested they probably could live with it. Cardinal-designate Timoth Dolan of New York, the head of the nation's Roman Catholic bishops and a fierce critic of the original rule covering hospitals and other employees, said the bishops were reserving judgment but that Obama's move was "a good first step."

"Very pleased," was how Sister Carol Keehan, president of the Catholic Health Association, reacted in a statement distributed by the White House. Her trade group represents Catholic hospitals that had fought against the birth control requirement.

Now who's business is it, puter?