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Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:10 pm
by puterbac
September 11, 2010

The successful Clinton economy was based on tax cuts. No, really...

By Jerry Shenk

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/09/ ... onomy.html

At the end of this year, America will be looking down both barrels of one of the biggest tax increases in history: the expiration of the 2001 and 2003 rate reductions on income and dividends/capital gains. It's seldom a good time to raise taxes, but the imposition of the old rates during a recession may guarantee a Hooverian result. The country needs further tax reductions and an even larger reduction in spending to stimulate recovery.

Though there is some disagreement about where the Laffer Curve bends, most agree that higher rates can and do reduce tax revenue and that the Curve allows for a point at which further tax rate reductions won't stimulate economic activity and create a corresponding increase in Treasury receipts. The United States hasn't found the latter point yet. Unfortunately, Democrats controlling Washington are unwilling to seek it.

Reasonable people of all political persuasions will acknowledge that tax cuts worked for Democratic President John Kennedy and Republican President Ronald Reagan. Presidents Kennedy and Reagan oversaw significant reductions of confiscatory tax rates on high earners and taxpayers generally. In both cases, records show that Treasury revenues increased with the rate of investment of the freed assets.

Often overlooked in the debate over tax policy is the success of the Clinton-era tax reductions -- reductions that, though fairly recent, are unknown to most Americans. That may be no accident.

The Clinton years provide lessons on the effects of tax increases and decreases. The American left attributes the successful economy of the Clinton years to the former and ignores the impact of the latter in order to justify their appetite for the increases they would have us believe will provide additional tax revenues today.

The effects of increasing taxes on Treasury receipts can be seen in the Clinton and Democrat-controlled congressional tax increase of 1993, one of the largest in history. Despite a more robust job market following a recession, the 1993 tax increase didn't accomplish what Democrats expected. The tax increases added very little to treasury receipts despite their magnitude. Reports from the Congressional Budget Office, the Office of Management and Budget, and the Internal Revenue Service all agree.

In fact, the balanced budgets of the Clinton years didn't occur until after a Republican Congress passed and the president reluctantly signed a 1997 tax bill that lowered the capital gains rate from 28% to 20%, added a child tax credit, and established higher limits on tax exclusion for IRAs and estates.

The Clinton tax policies of the early '90s were based on rate increases and luck -- the luck provided by a normal growth cycle that began in 1992 as America emerged from a mild recession and a communications revolution. It was tax relief that improved receipts following the disappointing outcome of the 1993 tax hikes and made the Clinton economy successful. The 1997 rate reduction on capital gains unleashed the economy, causing capital investment to more than triple by 1998 and double again in 1999. Treasury receipts for this category of tax obligation increased dramatically. Without tax relief and the internet/communications revolution, the second Clinton term would likely have seen tax revenues decline in a lagging economy.

There is no reason to believe that tax increases will perform any differently this time under a different aggregation of hopeful Democrats.

To find a pure, easily illustrated example of tax decreases boosting the economy and Treasury receipts, one need only look at the current rates on capital gains and dividends. When Congress passed the 15-percent tax rate on capital gains in 2003, and again following the 2006 extension, Democrats protested that large deficits would result.

The new leadership in Washington and those who support them would allow this tax cut to expire to "generate revenue" for the federal government. Based on data from Congress's own budgetary agency, they should consider whether expiration will have the effect they desire.

For anyone willing to read it, the January 2007 Congressional Budget Office annual report settles any debate. Citing the original CBO forecasts of capital gains tax revenue of $42 billion in 2003, $46 billion in 2004, $52 billion in 2005, and $57 billion in 2006, Democrats who opposed the rate reduction in 2003 claimed that the capital gains tax cut would "cost" the federal treasury $5.4 billion in fiscal years 2003-2006.

Those forecasts were embarrassingly wrong. The 2007 CBO report revealed that capital gains and dividends tax collections were actually $51 billion in 2003, $72 billion in 2004, $97 billion in 2005, and $110 billion in 2006, the last two years nearly doubling initial forecasts.

In other words, forecasts in earlier CBO reports were low by a total of $133 billion for the four-year period. This tax rate reduction stimulated enough additional economic activity to more than offset forecasted losses.


Reductions in tax rates for capital gains were arguably the most successful fiscal initiatives of the past thirty years.

How could the CBO and Democrats have gotten it so wrong?

It's very simple. Forecasts are guesses. When rates change in either direction, the CBO does linear forecasts on tax revenues, never estimating the stimulation or retardation of economic activity resulting from the changes. It is all policy permits them to do. Accordingly, CBO forecasts for rate changes are always wrong. CBO results, on the other hand, are facts -- the same facts that appear in reports from the OMB and the IRS. Four years of factual history on the 2003 tax rate reduction on capital gains and dividends in the CBO's own report showed that contrary to their expectation of revenue declines, the Treasury actually received record revenues from this class of tax obligation. For that matter, including the 2001 rate reductions on income, Treasury revenues set records through 2007, at that point exceeding original forecasts by roughly twice the cost of the two wars in which America was engaged. The CBO was wrong about that as well.

Politicians and their enablers who embrace old, wrong guesses and ignore newer facts are either a little stupid, or they think we are.

All of America's current deficits are the result of spending by both parties above the baseline, including spending on the costs of war, homeland security, and natural disaster. Despite those circumstances, at the rates of economic growth through 2007 and with simple spending restraint, the Bush-era 2001 and 2003 tax rate reductions should have yielded a surplus by 2009 with no increase in taxes.

Unfortunately, federal expenditures have been setting records, too, and are increasing drastically. A typical Congress has a spending problem, not a revenue problem. This Congress is no exception, except that its members are spending at exceptional rates and have no will to stop.

Millions of Americans fell off the tax rolls following the 2001 rate reductions on income. Today, the top 1% of earners pays more taxes than the bottom 95%. Who really believes that taxing this top group even more is going to pay everyone's tab for the ambitious and irresponsible spending objectives of the Democrats in Washington?

Unless clearer heads prevail, we will all pay. Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:11 pm
by puterbac
Press Release
January 18, 2012
Contact: Rachel Salabes

Study: TV News Bashes Romney, Boosts Horse Race

http://www.cmpa.com/media_room_press_1_18_12.html

CBS Is More Positive Than FOX Toward GOP Field



Frontrunner Mitt Romney is getting by far the most negative press of the GOP field, according to a new study of television news coverage by the Center for Media and Public Affairs at George Mason University. The study also found that the campaign horse race is getting over six times as much coverage as the candidates’ positions on policy issues. According to CMPA director and George Mason University professor Robert Lichter, “The media love a horse race and hate a frontrunner.”

This study covered 118 stories on the Republican primaries from January 1 to the January 10 New Hampshire primary on the evening newscasts of ABC, CBS, NBC, and FOX (the first half hour of Fox News Channel’s “Special Report”, which is most like the network news shows in content and presentation). This is the first release from CMPA’s ongoing 2012 Election News Watch Project. For information on our methodology see: http://cmpa.com/about_methods.htm

Bad News for Romney Mitt Romney was the only major candidate to receive a majority of negative evaluations by sources and reporters, on both the broadcast network nightly news and FOX “Special Report.” (We measured evaluative comments about the candidates’ behavior, past records, issue positions, personal character, etc. However, we excluded comments about how they were faring in the campaign horse race.)

Examples: "Many of the most conservative elements of the party... do not trust him." - election analyst, NBC

"I think he's lying to get elected." - voter, FOX

Broadcast Results On the broadcast networks, evaluative comments of Romney were 78% negative vs. only 22% positive. By contrast, on-air judgments of Ron Paul were 73% positive vs. 27% negative, evaluations of Jon Huntsman were 71% positive vs. 29% negative, Rick Santorum’s evaluations were 56% positive vs. 44% negative, and comments about Newt Gingrich were 52% positive vs. 48% negative. Other candidates received too few evaluations to be statistically meaningful.

FOX Results Romney fared slightly better on FOX “Special Report”, than on the networks, with 63% negative vs. 37% positive evaluations. By contrast, Ron Paul fared less well than he did on the networks, with evenly balanced coverage -- 50% negative and 50% positive comments. Rick Santorum did best on FOX with 63% positive vs. 37% negative judgments. These were the only candidates who received enough evaluations on FOX for meaningful analysis.

Examples: "[Paul is] in a category of his own as a libertarian and may prove to be fatally flawed." - Charles Krauthammer, FOX

"I like Newt Gingrich because to me Newt has the experience." - voter, CBS

Network Differences However, the various networks differed sharply from one another in their combined evaluations of the entire Republican field. A majority of all candidate evaluations aired on CBS and FOX were positive, while comments were 3 to 1 negative on NBC and 2 to 1 negative on ABC.

CBS had the most positive portrayals -- 57% positive vs. 43% negative, partly because of its highly favorable (89% positive) evaluations of Ron Paul. FOX had the most balanced overall coverage with 52% positive vs. 48% negative comments. NBC was the most negative overall with 27% positive vs. 73% negative coverage, followed closely by ABC with 32% positive vs. 68% negative coverage. Both NBC and ABC featured 85% negative comments on Romney.

Example: "I love his foreign policy because... if you stick your nose into other people's business, you're going to get punched eventually." -- college student, CBS

The Horse Race Wins There were over six times as many stories on the campaign horse race as there were on the policies of the candidates (105 vs. 16 stories). Even when the candidates’ backgrounds are added to the comparison, the horse race outpaced coverage of their records, personalities, and policies by a margin of over 3 to 1 (105 vs. 31 stories). In this respect FOX and the broadcast networks were very similar.

The major topics of the coverage, measured as the number of stories about each, were as follows:

1. Campaign horse race - 105
2. Policy issues - 16
3. Voters - 11
4. Candidates’ professional backgrounds - 8
5. Candidates’ personal backgrounds - 7
6. Campaign conduct - 7
7. Debates - 5

Note: Some stories had more than one major topic.

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:39 pm
by Dr. Strangelove
Vast majority of American Muslims strongly oppose Sharia. Conservatives plan to continue implying that it could be imposed any day now

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/int ... 57992.html

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:22 pm
by puterbac
Wow 200 whole people?

And the laws quoted actually said taking any foreign law cannot be taken into account by judges.

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:04 pm
by Professor Tiger
I gotta hand it to you, puter. You are still doggedly trying to convince us that Clinton deserves no credit for the good economy and budget surpluses on his watch. Simultaneously, you are also trying to convince us that Bush and the Republicans deserve no blame for the current recession, even though they ran the whole country for 8 years preceding the meltdown that happened in the waning days of their rule.

I don't think you've convinced anybody yet, but I do admire your perseverance.

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:37 am
by Jungle Rat
He's still trying to convince us? I thought that ship already sailed. I heard it washed up in Spain.

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:38 am
by sardis
I give Clinton credit, but should also give Newt and the R's credit as well.

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:41 am
by sardis
Dr. Strangelove wrote:Vast majority of American Muslims strongly oppose Sharia. Conservatives plan to continue implying that it could be imposed any day now

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/int ... 57992.html
200 sample and this quote:

"MacFarlane's sample isn't representative of the Muslim community as a whole. About 75 percent of the respondents were immigrants to America or Canada, and nearly all of them had at least a college degree. Half were of South Asian descent, 30 percent of Middle Eastern descent, and 10 percent of African descent. The remaining 10 percent were Caucasian converts and African Americans."

'nuff said

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:17 am
by sardis
If tax cuts don't create jobs then why do this?

http://www.cnbc.com/id/46202502

What happens if a millionaire invests in a start-up? Does he get the tax break? If he does how dos he pay his fair share?

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:18 am
by puterbac
Professor Tiger wrote:I gotta hand it to you, puter. You are still doggedly trying to convince us that Clinton deserves no credit for the good economy and budget surpluses on his watch. Simultaneously, you are also trying to convince us that Bush and the Republicans deserve no blame for the current recession, even though they ran the whole country for 8 years preceding the meltdown that happened in the waning days of their rule.

I don't think you've convinced anybody yet, but I do admire your perseverance.
Clinton signed the bills instead of vetoing again. He deserves credit for that.

DARPA deserves more credit than just about anyone for developing what became the www.

Of course r's deserve some blame. They didn't do enough to reign spending or Fannie Freddy. Yet despite all that in the 7th year of his presidency the budget deficit was only 160 billion dollars. Now it's been about 10x that for almost four years in a row.

They all sux to one degree or another it's just which ones sux less. Insert joke here.

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:55 pm
by billy bob bocephus
uh oh, not the dreaded American Thinker site, why those neocon, Tea Party wackos have about as much a grasp on reality as the typical Media Matters contributor...

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:09 am
by puterbac
REVIEW & OUTLOOKFEBRUARY 1, 2012

$5 Trillion and Change

Obama's four years have seen the four highest deficits since 1946.


The political strategy behind Obamanomics was always simple: Call for "stimulus" to rescue the economy, run up the debt with the biggest spending blitz in 60 years, and then when the deficit explodes call for higher taxes. The Congressional Budget Office annual review released yesterday shows this is all on track.

CBO reports that annual spending over the Obama era has climbed to a projected $3.6 trillion this fiscal year from $2.98 trillion in fiscal 2008, or more than 20%. The government spending burden has averaged 24% of GDP, up from an average of about 20%. This doesn't include the $2 trillion tab for ObamaCare.

All of this has increased the federal debt by about $5 trillion in a mere four years. Thanks to higher revenues, the federal deficit will decline to $1.08 trillion in 2012, or 7% of GDP. But that is still the highest deficit since 1946—except for the previous three years. In other words, the four years of the Obama's Presidency will mark the four highest years in spending and deficits as a share of the economy since Harry Truman sat in the Oval Office.

.......

To sum it all up, CBO's facts plainly show that Mr. Obama has the worst fiscal record of any President in modern times. No one else is even close.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... on_LEADTop

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:48 am
by puterbac
Lrd is somewhere loving this. This happens more times than you think. Friend is in FBI in Indiana and they were all set to do a no knock in the middle of the night with everyone at the door and he with the ram. Right at the last second someone realized they were at the wrong damn house and the right one was next door.


FBI Uses Chainsaw In Raid On Wrong Fitchburg Apartment

By Jim Armstrong, WBZ-TV

January 31, 2012 11:59 PM

“I just happened to glance over and saw this huge chainsaw ripping down the side of my door,” she explains. “And I was freaking out. I didn’t know what was going on.”

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/01/31/f ... apartment/

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:54 pm
by Dr. Strangelove
Romney: "I don't give a shit about the poor. Fuck em"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pos ... _blog.html

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:36 am
by bluetick
Why the fuss? What'd he say? "I'm not concerned about the very poor" - that's been GOP dogma since the 1930s.

Just playing to the core

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:31 am
by crashcourse
everybody cuts out the part immediately afterward when he said I'm not concerned about the rich either.

not a big rommney fan and he could have worded things different but I'm sure thats exactly what he meant--he doesn't give a shit about thge poor

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:50 am
by 10ac
Of course not.

:::rolls eyes:::

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:49 am
by Toemeesleather
No one has played one group against another more than ol' hopey changey.

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:44 pm
by bluetick
It's a grind, traveling and speaking nonstop like those guys are doing. Most people would hang themselves numerous times a day speaking off the cuff like that.

Still, Mitt had his chances to fix the gaffe but he spent too much effort trying to defend WHY he made the remark in the first place . Either he missed the point - the words "I'm not concerned about the poor" shouldn't be formed and utttered in any context - or he was just being stubborn. Not a good day for the Mittman.

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:13 pm
by BigRedMan
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