The Goat Pen

What is the action of the Broncos player? Taking a knee?

Praying.

for a baseball contract

eCat wrote:I don't know the context of how it was being presented

but was it factual?

The (interpolated) numbers were neither accurate nor inaccurate. They were definitely apocryphal. If his racist ass was going to teach that, then he would need to have placed it in the context of the assumptions made by that data, the alternative application of those assumptions...and the basic fact that if slavery was not particularly economical, then the South probably would not have gone to war over it.

I was too young and naive to challenge him...even though at the time I felt it didn't sit right. I wish I would have told my mother. Shit would have gotten real, REAL quick, if that happened. I gave too much authority to this professor. Fuck him.

eCat wrote:for a baseball contract

LMAO

(I have no problem with either, tbh...and most people who complain about the former, don't think twice about the latter. The same is probably true, vice versa)

Bklyn wrote:Praying.

Oh, him. I'm pretty sure it was his actions on the field that bothered people more than anything he did off the field...

eCat wrote:

crashcourse wrote:9 dead 50 shot in Chicago this past weekend after wades cousin was killed

450 dead for the year well on pace to eclipse the 504 murders committed in 2012

how bout protesting that BLM

how bout protesting that colin

BLM's charter is very specific - they focus on government overreach

they just chose a name that most reasonable people would consider much more outreaching than what they actually focus on.

their concerns in regards to why they feel there is governmen overreach probably has alot to do with the % of African Americans who comprise that 450 in Chicago

but that's none of my business.

It's always interesting that no matter how many times that little "whatabouthism" is addressed, people keep bringing it up. I now only pick my spots in clarifying it.

Well guns are the problem. I mean one of the criminals charged with shooting D-Wade cousin was only a 6 time gun offender who was just released in February from a six year sentence from January 2013.

I am sure them having such easy access to guns is the problem. I am sure the economic plight of their neighborhood is what drove them. I am sure it is white privilege that somehow was a small factor in the issues they faced in their lives.

<spits on the ground>

eCat wrote:

Owlman wrote:Private job; they have the right to suspend him. But under his contract, he will still be paid for that time, sense it is guaranteed money.

I refused to pledge allegiance to the flag when I was 13.

why is that?

Religious reasons. No false idols. You pledge allegiance to the flag, not to the country. A physical piece of cloth. Thought the pledge should have been different. "I pledge allegiance to the United States of American which the flag represents" would have been okay.

eCat wrote:I just wonder if Kaepernick has really thought out the long term consequences of his decision or if he just thought like so many others he could spout off his opinion and then just remain status quo on every other aspect of his life.

He's doubled down but I wouldn't be surprised to see a mea culpa in about 10 months

He wasn't outspoken. He didn't say anything to anybody until he was asked about it.

sardis wrote:He has a right to not pledge his allegiance if he feels the country is not constitutional for him. He may suffer the consequences, but that's his decision. I, myself may be in the same boat in the near future if the 1st and 2nd amendments keep getting eroded.


"f the nba wants to pull the all star game then by all means every fan in Carolina should boycott the nnba for a month"

Are you kidding? You know how much those season tickets cost?

The second Amendment has been significantly expanded in the last 10 years (McDonald vs. City of Chicago and the Heller/Washington D.C. case), not been eroded.

hedge wrote:"the American Flag is more than a symbol for this country."

Really? Do tell...

Hedge, it emotes feelings. Feelings of pride, ask any US athlete who has stood under one, it emotes grief, from the spouse/ friend who is presented a folded one after the death of a loved one ( I was almost in this position) it emotes sadness when you see them flying at half mast, when travelling in other countries it makes you feel good if you see your country's flag. I know when I was in Normandy the citizens fly the Allied flags with thankfulness more than Americans ( or Brits) fly their flags. Yes, it is more than a symbol.

I agree that symbols emote (or should that be evoke?) many different feelings. Just ask any christian how they feel about a cross. But that doesn't mean the cross is anything besides a symbol. Well, unless your are actually being crucified, then it would be different...

I wish we were all evoking the memory of hedge...

Owlman wrote:

sardis wrote:He has a right to not pledge his allegiance if he feels the country is not constitutional for him. He may suffer the consequences, but that's his decision. I, myself may be in the same boat in the near future if the 1st and 2nd amendments keep getting eroded.


"f the nba wants to pull the all star game then by all means every fan in Carolina should boycott the nnba for a month"

Are you kidding? You know how much those season tickets cost?

The second Amendment has been significantly expanded in the last 10 years (McDonald vs. City of Chicago and the Heller/Washington D.C. case), not been eroded.

yes, it was the Clinton years where it was significantly eroded

I understand that people can emote, I just wasn't sure if flags could...

people have been burning flags/dissing the anthem/spurring the pledge etc etc for years.

that's part of what makes our country great is you do have that right

just like I have the right to spur colin not necessarily for his dissing the anthem but why he is dissing the anthem

his fantasy football value is plummeting

He did nothing wrong. People need to lighten up.

Exactly. It's not my way to protest, but it's great that he's safe in doing it and we are not harmed by it, either. For some people, they get more up and arms about that than BLM protesters walking down an interstate disrupting traffic (which is my preferred manor of protest).