Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

[10ac]

I bet PSA could segue from that to a pun somehow.

[AlabamAlum]

neither American killed fired a weapon or engaged in military operations against America

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You don't have to fire a weapon to be engaged in military operations.

are you calling AL-quaida a foreign government? otherwise neither did this.

Essentially. A rogue government.

-committing an act of treason against the United States (as defined by Article III, Section 3 of the Constitution), or attempting to overthrow the United States or take up arms against her



article 3 section three

No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

(a) I think we can find two witnesses for his act(s) of treason and (b) I also think it could be said that he took up arms against the US.

[AugustWest]

woo! got my NC State snuggie on. Go Pack!!!

[AlabamAlum]

I figured you would be cheering on Mizzou.

[AugustWest]

for one game. yeah.

[Dr. Strangelove]

It's going to seem really weird (to me anyway) to consider Missouri an SEC team from here on out. Especially a member of the SEC East.

[AugustWest]

NC State should be in the SEC East, not Mizzou.

[Professor Tiger]

We already have Kentucky and Vanderbilt as our token basketball schools.

[AugustWest]

we're a bass fishing and rifle school.

[Professor Tiger]

Two things close to my heart.

[AugustWest]

exactly.

[It's me Karen]

I miss PSA.

[10ac]

Windage and elevation, Karen, windage and elevation.

[AlabamAlum]

lol

[crashcourse]

exhale karen

squeeze not pull

[bluetick]

exhale karen

squeeze not pull

sounds like a bad fauxjob

[bluetick]

And a camel is 3x faster than a Segway

maybe more if you smack that ass

[Toemeesleather]

Each Chevy Volt sold thus far may have as much as $250,000 in state and federal dollars in incentives behind it – a total of $3 billion altogether, according to an analysis by James Hohman, assistant director of fiscal policy at the Mackinac Center for Public Policy.

Hohman looked at total state and federal assistance offered for the development and production of the Chevy Volt, General Motors’ plug-in hybrid electric vehicle. His analysis included 18 government deals that included loans, rebates, grants and tax credits. The amount of government assistance does not include the fact that General Motors is currently 26 percent owned by the federal government.

The Volt subsidies flow through multiple companies involved in production. The analysis includes adding up the amount of government subsidies via tax credits and direct funding for not only General Motors, but other companies supplying parts for the vehicle. For example, the Department of Energy awarded a $105.9 million grant to the GM Brownstown plant that assembles the batteries. The company was also awarded approximately $106 million for its Hamtramck assembly plant in state credits to retain jobs. The company that supplies the Volt’s batteries, Compact Power, was awarded up to $100 million in refundable battery credits (combination tax breaks and cash subsidies). These are among many of the subsidies and tax credits for the vehicle.

It’s unlikely that all the companies involved in Volt production will ever receive all the $3 billion in incentives, Hohman said, because many of them are linked to meeting various employment and other milestones. But the analysis looks at the total value that has been offered to the Volt in different aspects of production – from the assembly line to the dealerships to the battery manufacturers. Some tax credits and subsidies are offered for periods up to 20 years, though most have a much shorter time frame.

GM has estimated they’ve sold 6,000 Volts so far. That would mean each of the 6,000 Volts sold would be subsidized between $50,000 and $250,000, depending on how many government subsidy milestones are realized.

If those manufacturers awarded incentives to produce batteries the Volt may use are included in the analysis, the potential government subsidy per Volt increases to $256,824. For example, A123 Systems has received extensive state and federal support, and bid to be a supplier to the Volt, but the deal instead went to Compact Power. The $256,824 figure includes adding up the subsidies to both companies.

The $3 billion total subsidy figure includes $690.4 million offered by the state of Michigan and $2.3 billion in federal money. That’s enough to purchase 75,222 Volts with a sticker price of $39,828.

Additional state and local support provided to Volt suppliers was not included in the analysis, Hohman said, and could increase the level of government aid. For instance, the Volt is being assembled at the Poletown plant in Detroit/Hamtramck, which was built on land acquired by General Motors through eminent domain.

“It just goes to show there are certain folks that will spend anything to get their vision of what people should do,” said State Representative Tom McMillin, R-Rochester Hills. “It’s a glaring example of the failure of central planning trying to force citizens to purchase something they may not want. … They should let the free market make those decisions.”

“This might be the most government-supported car since the Trabant,” said Hohman, referring to the car produced by the former Communist state of East Germany.

According to GM CEO Dan Akerson, the average Volt owner makes $170,000 per year




Sustainable!!!

[Professor Tiger]

I got a new 9mm pistol for Christmas. Can't wait to take it to the indoor range this weekend.

[Jungle Rat]

Take it in the bathroom instead.