The Goat Pen

Is AA saying the Mexican GMs in Bham are undocumented?

Personally, it looks to me like good political calculus to lie a lot to 20 million people because the fact checkers will print their assessment of those lies and hit maybe 2 million people. Some of the TV and web press will go over it and pick up another 10 -- 12 million. Then, you'll have some gains in voter understanding by word of mouth and other factors, but you'll still have 3 to 5 million people believing the lies and repeating them. It's actually a very good move...underhanded and without integrity...but a good move.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012 ... tw-nytimes

I see HURRICANE Isaac has claimed a life. It is now, officially, a KILLER storm.

Where is your anti-Isaac-as-a-hurricane god now, aTm?

Was that person in Ruston?

I believe it was in Picayune, MS - which is the same thing as Ruston.

Same argument, different locations...

http://www.cnbc.com/id/48825978

http://www.cnbc.com/id/48842456

"Personally, it looks to me like good political calculus to lie a lot to 20 million people because the fact checkers will print their assessment of those lies and hit maybe 2 million people."

Until the dems repeat those lies to 20 million people next week and refute them...

CNN's fact check verdict was that Ryan's GM statement was true, but then again they could be biased.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/30/politics/ ... ?hpt=hp_t2

True, but incomplete.

But, at any rate, you can at least point to one thing Ryan said last night that was not a total lie. There is that.

hedge wrote:Until the dems repeat those lies to 20 million people next week and refute them...I want someone's ass blistered in the middle of Thanksgiving Square.

They won't, at least not in any great measure. They don't want to spend the convention pointing out all of the items that the Repubs lied about, they'll go forward trying to define what they can do, the stakes of the election and that the GOPers on the ticket would take us backward to Bush policies and a coddling of the plutocratic state. They'll also probably do their fair share of lying/distorting too (I just don't expect it to be as egregious).

I expect the democrats to lie with the same reckless abandon that the R's did; they usually do. The estimation of who lied more egregiously usually is split down a partisan line.

Disagree. Gore was caught in more lies than Bush and this was one of the primary factor in my support for Bush. Romney/Ryan have been caught in many more lies than Obama/Biden. Some of the lies last night were breath-taking. The one that particularly galled me was the statement that the credit rating was dropped under Obama's watch. While technically true, the reason not because of our financial situation but because of Republican's specifically stating a desire to default on the debt.

Yeah, Biden and Obama would have to work pretty hard to hit the home runs Ryan whipped out last night. I mean, he dinged Obama for Simpson Bowles...but the thing crumbled before it could even become proposed legislation largely because Paul Ryan, and then Cantor, wouldn't back it. It was professional level fuckery going on up there last night.

I cant tell any difference in the two sides. Both sides pander, skirt the truth, misstate and outright lie. It will interesting to score the democratic convention next week.

I definitely am going to do it. It's how I scratch my inner nerdom.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/09/the-wh ... of-2008-2/

Supports AA's analysis. Fact Check from 2008. I am a nerd as well.

Paul Ryan kicked McCain's ass in whoppers.

Shame Marco Rubio was raised a Mormon. He was a much better pick for VP than Ryan...

Why is this Mitt dude cutting into my 11:00 news?

Man, in terms of finishing off the most wooden, tepid, and tedious-sounding set of speeches at any convention that I can remember, Romney hit it out of the park last night. His was perhaps the most wooden, tepid and tedious-sounding speech of the whole convention. And that's saying something. I'll give Santorum credit. They were interviewing him on PBS early on and asked him something about Romney needing to connect on a personal level and Santorum said something like "Yeah, people want to like the candidate, they don't like the wooden, robotic candidates like Gore, Kerry or Dukakis", and then he kinda raised his eyebrows as if to say "and that's pretty much how Romney comes across". Not a particularly astute observation in general (about voters wanting to like the candidate on a personal level), but the comparison with those Demo-drips was one I hadn't thought of. And not one that speaks very well of Romney's chances in November. Good lord, the guy is practically a mannequin...

Obama is certainly more akin to Reagan and Clinton in terms of having a winning manner about him. And of course, both of those guys won their second term by large margins over tepid mannequin opponents (Mondale and Dole)...