The Goat Pen

Heh

as long as you can write it off on your taxes i see nothing wrong with that

that 17K is tax free--multiply that by the 3 or 4 in each household collecting that and we're up to an equivalent of 80K per household

plus the free stuff they get from local charities!!

AA, I'm glad to see you're sending Maria to work at the homeless shelter on her day off. I certainly hope you don't pay her for her work. That would violate the spirit of volunteerism. It's also a waste of money better spent on fine scotch and gambling.

I sometimes think about it and even gat a twinge of guilt, occasionally.

Michael Savage offers Newt $1 Million to drop out of the race

http://www.michaelsavage.wnd.com/2011/1 ... how-today/

AC, why should you feel guilty? You should also send your domestic to work at a homeless shelter on her day off. It feels good giving back to the community.

DSL, I didn't know that Savage was a member of the Republican Establishment. I wonder which country clubs he belongs to.

Why is Hack so angry all the time?

Professor Tiger wrote:

Not that $200 billion is chump change. That's the approximate annual amount being spent right now for food stamps and unemployment, combined.

Okay, Hack: of that $200 billion spent on food stamps and unemployment combined, how much do you think is paid to people who could work, but choose not to?

We've gone over this before. Obviously, I have no way of knowing. Would you allow that there are at least some who could? Because if you would, then it's just a matter of degree. I wouldn't be surprised if the number is significant. But we'll never know. That's sort of the point. As we've seen in this discussion, we've created a system where anyone who dares to ask the question is immediately attacked and villified. And those doing the attacking get to feel so superior and good. Now, if only the system was really helping the poor get out of poverty, you might even have a right to feel that way. But it's not. It's wasting money and keeping people poor.

Incidentally, the $200 billion is only part of the overall $700+ billion in means-tested entitlements spent this year. We can't have a rational discussion about any of it, naturally.

you should be ashamed of yourself for that post...


Yep, he does it to himself enough, I'll not add to it.

Keep up the good fight hack.

I want a safety net for those that truly cannot help themselves and also for those who are able but down their "luck" but they need to be willing to help themselves and not just look at it as if they are owed for doing nothing.

How PT and tick equate that to wanting people to starve is beyond me, but whatever.

Duh....

Hurricane predictors admit they can’t predict hurricanes

Monday, December 12, 2011
By Tom Spears


Two top U.S. hurricane forecasters, revered like rock stars in Deep South hurricane country, are quitting the practice because it doesn’t work.

William Gray and Phil Klotzbach say a look back shows their past 20 years of forecasts had no value.

The two scientists from Colorado State University will still discuss different probabilities as hurricane seasons approach — a much more cautious approach. But the shift signals how far humans are, even with supercomputers, from truly knowing what our weather will do next.

Gray, recently joined by Klotzbach, has been known for decades for an annual forecast of how many hurricanes can be expected each official hurricane season (which runs from June to November.) Southerners hang on his words, as even a mid-sized hurricane can cause billions in damage.

Last week, the pair dropped this announcement out of a clear, blue sky:

“We are discontinuing our early December quantitative hurricane forecast for the next year ... Our early December Atlantic basin seasonal hurricane forecasts of the last 20 years have not shown real-time forecast skill even though the hindcast studies on which they were based had considerable skill.”

© Copyright (c) The Ottawa Citizen

Pretty please? With Sugar on top? Oprama = Carter

Obama calls on Iran to give back downed US drone

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-calls-iran- ... 34188.html

Cheney is correct we should have either gone in after it, if feasible. Or bombed the landing site.

They didn't know the landing site. They lost contact with it in-flight. It's designed (form some strange reason) to land safely when it loses contact.

Owlman wrote:They didn't know the landing site. They lost contact with it in-flight. It's designed (form some strange reason) to land safely when it loses contact.

this is a serious design flaw unless all of the important stuff inside is programed to self destruct at some point. ie immediately after landing unless a safe code in entered.

this is a serious design flaw unless all of the important stuff inside is programed to self destruct at some point. ie immediately after landing unless a safe code in entered.

agree. Reminds of the first stealth planes they put into high production despite the fact they didn't work in the rain

Just go fucking get it.

The U.S. House will likely pass a $180 billion GOP bill tying a payroll tax cut and more jobless benefits to a divisive oil pipeline, Speaker John Boehner said.

"The House will vote on the Middle Class Tax Relief and Job Creation Act -- a bill that should pass with bipartisan support," Boehner, R-Ohio, said Monday, one day ahead of the expected vote.

Rep. Dan Boren, D-Okla., crossed party lines Monday and said he would vote "yes" on the GOP bill, which links the tax-cut extension to a host of other measures -- including a provision that would speed up a decision by the Obama administration on the Keystone XL oil sands pipeline system to transport synthetic crude oil and diluted asphalt, tar and other road- and roof-surfacing materials to the Gulf Coast from Alberta, Canada -- a project the White House has sought to delay.




Tee-hee, now the Dims can be against tax cuts....

Jungle Rat wrote:Just go fucking get it.

I suspect that this would be considered an act of war by Iran.