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Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2025 4:49 am
by DooKSucks
innocentbystander wrote: ↑Mon Mar 03, 2025 12:23 am
DooKSucks wrote: ↑Sun Mar 02, 2025 11:59 pm
innocentbystander wrote: ↑Sun Mar 02, 2025 2:06 pm
And Trump knows Putin will never order his men to kill US citizens.
Is that why Russian contractors -- who were controlled by the Kremlin -- attacked known US positions in Syria and engaged with firefights with American special forces units? That happened -- and at least one major instance was documented in major media -- and don't think Putin didn't know that was happening. Putin doesn't care about killing Americans. He will knock off American contractors whenever he wants if given the chance.
What?
The US GIs butchered those Russian mercs working for Wagner group. We had no casualties and we wiped them out. More to the point, Putin got the call from Trump in 2017. Trump asked him, are these guys moving on the refinery in Syria that we are defending, are those your troops? Putin said no. Trump said thank you and hung up the phone. Then Trump called the General in command and told him to kill them all. So they did.
Lesson learned.
That was a gamble on Putin's part but it didn't cost him anything. Putin does not give a fuck if Russian mercenaries or Russia troops die, not as long as he remains in power. He faces no political consequences when Russians die. If you knew anything about that culture, you would understand why. If Putin sends Wagner into Ukraine, the exact same thing that happened in Syria would happen in Ukraine if we are defending mineral rights that (hopefully) Zelenskyy signs over to the USA. That will end the war. What do you want Trump to do if not that? This is a brilliant idea, we garrison our financial interest in Ukraine! All Zelenskyy wants is more of your tax money without any oversight on how it is spent. That is because he is immature and he doesn't care how many Ukrainians continue to die. Are you down with that?
DooKSucks wrote: ↑Sun Mar 02, 2025 11:59 pmIf you don't think it is a travesty when America has literally sided with the goddamned Russian aggressors over the biggest European land war since WW2, then you are so brainwashed by the Trump shit that I have no faith you will ever see anything in a reasonable light.
We didn't side with Russia. This never happened. Stop watching
The View.
We have given Russia no money. We have given Ukraine $350 billion and Zelenskyy used some of that money to send Ukrainian models to modelling shoots in NYC and Paris. That is what he thinks of his own people and this war. That is not a serious leader. But we can still save him. Trump is willing to get mineral rights and have USA mining corporations work the very Ukrainian real estate that Russia is fighting to Annex. We have given Putin.... nothing. And if Trump gets his way, Putin gets less than nothing. He loses everything he is fighting to take.
1) Trump and Putin did not speak over the phone during the refinery incident. Military commanders did speak over the de-escalation line after the Russians had attacked. The Russians denied everything, which allowed the US to send in air support.
2) We definitely sided with Russia at the UN:
The US has twice sided with Russia in votes at the United Nations to mark the third anniversary of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, highlighting the Trump administration's change of stance on the war.
First, the US opposed a European-drafted resolution condemning Moscow's actions and supporting Ukraine's territorial integrity - voting the same way as Russia and countries including North Korea and Belarus at the UN General Assembly (UNGA) in New York.
Then the US drafted and voted for a resolution at the UN Security Council which called for an end to the conflict, but contained no criticism of Russia.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7435pnle0go
3) Yeah, Putin and his stooges are rather happy. They know they're going to get what they want in the end if Trump has anything to do with it. Russian media is beside itself with glee, and they don't say jack squat the Kremlin doesn't approve. Here are some articles with brief summaries:
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-zelensky ... ar-2038604
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-zelens ... 08276.html
https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/28/media/ta ... index.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/20 ... sky-clash/
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2025 4:50 am
by DooKSucks
eCat wrote: ↑Mon Mar 03, 2025 7:58 am
its not about supporting Russia, its about keeping America out of a war that is being pushed by people who would rather see Americans die than accept Trump's leadership.
Tell me something, who here would rather see WWIII than Ukraine give up claims to Russian speaking Crimea? Who would demand that Ukraine be let into NATO knowing that is means American boots on the ground fighting against Russia?
Who here gave a fuck about Ukraine before Trump became president?
You missed that part of world history dealing with the years 1936-1939, huh?
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2025 4:53 am
by DooKSucks
eCat wrote: ↑Mon Mar 03, 2025 12:10 pm
Trump wouldn't have pulled out if Europe didn't think that our 300m should protect and pay for their 500m.
Even now, with all their bluster, they (Europe) are saying that they'll protect Ukraine only with strong U.S. backing
Its absurd that we have tariffs from these countries AND pay a significant portion of defense for the world.
All these liberals must believe we have unlimited funds to be the worlds police, and we are willing to die for aggression against corrupt regimes.
80 years is long enough, Europe should be able to deal with aggressors on their own continent as a united union, especially if they do self serving shit like buying Russian gas to heat their country.
It amazing to me that you're big on post WWII alliances and our obligation to fight in a war our president is working hard to prevent.
I mean it makes perfect sense right - why try to get peace because we belong to NATO, which, btw, Ukraine is not a part of.
btw
The Article 5 wording is vague. It states that an attack against one member “shall be considered an attack against them all.” What is quoted less often is that each member state only has an obligation to take “such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force.”
which was specifically written on the behalf of the US to opt out of any territorial wars that Europe engaged in.
The naivete of the MAGA world never ceases to amaze me. This will weaken the US economically in a permanent way and cede economic leadership -- and likely diplomatic / military dominance -- to China. You people are killing American dominance but fail to realize it.
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2025 6:46 am
by eCat
DooKSucks wrote: ↑Tue Mar 04, 2025 4:50 am
eCat wrote: ↑Mon Mar 03, 2025 7:58 am
its not about supporting Russia, its about keeping America out of a war that is being pushed by people who would rather see Americans die than accept Trump's leadership.
Tell me something, who here would rather see WWIII than Ukraine give up claims to Russian speaking Crimea? Who would demand that Ukraine be let into NATO knowing that is means American boots on the ground fighting against Russia?
Who here gave a fuck about Ukraine before Trump became president?
You missed that part of world history dealing with the years 1936-1939, huh?
lets go forward 3 years when a European country invaded Ukraine, causing Russia to lose 26 million people defending its border, which is the whole reason they don't want Ukraine in NATO to begin with, and oddly enough one of the same countries telling the US we have an obligation to defend Ukraine from Russian aggression.
history is a bitch when you cherry pick isn't it?
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2025 8:16 am
by eCat
https://www.caranddriver.com/honda/hond ... utonews.io
A new report from Reuters details a change in Honda's production plans, with the automaker ditching previous plans to move Honda Civic Hybrid production to Mexico. According to the Reuters report, which was released on the eve of the Trump administration's 25 percent tariffs on Canada and Mexico, Honda will produce the next-generation Civic at its Greensburg, Indiana, facility.
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2025 8:39 am
by DooKSucks
eCat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 04, 2025 6:46 am
DooKSucks wrote: ↑Tue Mar 04, 2025 4:50 am
eCat wrote: ↑Mon Mar 03, 2025 7:58 am
its not about supporting Russia, its about keeping America out of a war that is being pushed by people who would rather see Americans die than accept Trump's leadership.
Tell me something, who here would rather see WWIII than Ukraine give up claims to Russian speaking Crimea? Who would demand that Ukraine be let into NATO knowing that is means American boots on the ground fighting against Russia?
Who here gave a fuck about Ukraine before Trump became president?
You missed that part of world history dealing with the years 1936-1939, huh?
lets go forward 3 years when a European country invaded Ukraine, causing Russia to lose 26 million people defending its border, which is the whole reason they don't want Ukraine in NATO to begin with, and oddly enough one of the same countries telling the US we have an obligation to defend Ukraine from Russian aggression.
history is a bitch when you cherry pick isn't it?
Cherry picking?
Russia is defending its border by invading another nation?
That's literally the type of shit the Nazi's would claim.
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2025 8:45 am
by eCat
would it be a West German Nazi or an East German Nazi that said it?
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2025 9:33 am
by hedge
"We are at 36 trillion. We need to stop this ponzi scheme."
That's what Ross Perot was whining about 35 years ago. He was wrong then and you're wrong now. Wealth has increased exponentially and Perot is dead. Hopefully you will be too, and soon...
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2025 9:36 am
by hedge
eCat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 04, 2025 8:45 am
would it be a West German Nazi or an East German Nazi that said it?
In this case, American Nazis...
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2025 10:04 am
by eCat
the best kind
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2025 11:18 am
by sardis
What’s the point of having NATO when you’re expected to help countries who are not in NATO, like Ukraine? It makes the alliance meaningless.
I keep hearing about “indirect benefits” to the US by being the world’s peacekeeper, but no one can really state what specifically that is, because it doesn’t exist. In fact, it costs us more than benefits. There is no security interest to the US in wasting money on the Ukraine War.
As far as the debt goes, when interest payments exceed tax revenue coming in, that’s when shit hits the fan because no one will buy US bonds if it can’t be paid back. Govt could print money, but inflation will skyrocket.
Most likely taxes will have to double for Everyone. Just look at the tax brackets in Europe and 1950s US. Even the poor paid a lot.
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2025 11:59 am
by eCat
I fully expect America to go into a recession soon and Trump take the brunt of it, and he will not handle it well.
You can't drop 400K federal employees into the unemployed ranks and cut government spending that drives an economy without it paying a price,
but in the long run it will strengthen America with less government bloat and a more realistic GDP, and it will also drive down inflation.
I hope the tariffs don't last long but any Canadian politician who is "exacting revenge" against America for the tariffs is hurting his country, and while it may play well with the masses now, its not going to end well for them.
I expect Mexico to fall in line quickly. Europe will not and both the US and Europe will suffer, not only from tariffs but the reality they now have to pay for defense of not only their own country but that of Ukraine. That will last about 2 months and then they'll throw a fit with Zelensky as well behind close doors to accept a peace deal.
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2025 12:05 pm
by aTm
The piper still needs to be paid for 2020. We shut the economy down for two months, and then averted the economic disaster that would normally be caused by such a thing by giving away monopoly money for people to inject into the economy for a year after that, which is why runaway inflation has been a thing ever since then. They managed to grow the government every year since then, with government job growth the primary driver of the economy for the last 4 years. So, yeah we're gonna see what happens. IMO, the economic policies championed by both sides are just desperation kicks against the tide to continue trying to avert disaster.
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2025 1:39 pm
by eCat
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2025 2:24 pm
by hedge
"There is no security interest to the US in wasting money on the Ukraine War."
Yeah, there's no security interest in having Russia deplete its economy and military in terms of manpower, equipment and weapons systems and perhaps even defeating them outright, getting rid of Putin, and fostering a democratic, US- and Euro-friendly regime like we did Germany, Italy and Japan after WWII. Yep, it's much more in our security interests to have the second largest nuclear arsenal on Earth be in the hands of a fascist America-hating former KGB goon than in the hands of a democratically elected leader whose country has been brought into the fold of Western European democracies that are our friends rather than our enemies. Makes a ton of sense...
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2025 3:49 pm
by sardis
Russia is dying, even before the war. This ain’t no Soviet Union or WW2 Germany. Russia’s GDP is only $2 Trillion. There are 5 European countries, individually, that have more than that. All together, Euro’s GDP is $19 Trillion. 10x more than Russia. Russia may take Ukraine but they can’t takeover any significant part of Europe, let alone be a threat to us. The only threat Russia is to us is cyber related. Militarily? zero threat.
If you live in England, what’s more a threat to you, Russia, or the fact that every major city in England has a Muslim mayor?
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2025 3:59 pm
by sardis
And now, Europe is stepping up with funding, which is what we wanted to do all along. It just took us exiting NATO to finally get them to do it.
Military spending is going to be cut. We need to concentrate our resources toward Pacific and Asia. It’s nice having Europe as a buffer on the Atlantic side. Don’t have to have the resources there.
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2025 4:37 pm
by aTm
I agree with that, it is just a reality that our most important allies worldwide right now are Japan, South Korea, Australia, The Philippines, and Taiwan. We may have more European allies in terms of sheer quantity, but even with the flare ups currently happening in that neighborhood (Eastern Europe and the Middle East), they dont affect us as much as they would have even 15 years ago, because our own energy situation has almost completely changed since then.
Russia is an aggressive, arguably rogue state. I don't like the anti-Ukraine propaganda on the right, but I think it is also true that we are playing a super dangerous game with Russia. To me there is absolutely no reason, in the long term that the Russian Far East (ie everything from Lake Baikal to the Pacific and Alaska, population only 7 million) should need to be dominated by Moscow and not Beijing, if Russia is actually thrown into total turmoil and weakness.
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2025 4:46 pm
by hedge
"but in the long run it will strengthen America with less government bloat and a more realistic GDP, and it will also drive down inflation."
Even if you were right, which I don't think you are, do you really think American voters assess things in the long term? They care more about the price of eggs and gas than decreasing government bloat or having a "realistic" GDP (whatever that is, but I guess you'll tell us) or any of this other bullshit. Evidently Republican town halls haven't been going well lately, just think how things are going to look in two years at the midterms, much less in 2028 when this buffoon has had four years to completely ruin shit, and he will. It's what he does, it's all he does.
Now then, will there be some (plenty) of Maga voters that care way more about the the half dozen trans athletes that are invading female sports nationwide (of course the only reason they care is so they can own the libs)? Sure there will. But if the economy tanks as you predict, it's going to be a rough night on election day 2026 and 2028. Then the pendulum will swing back again in 2032 b/c people will be pissed again. I doubt we'll have another two term president in our lifetimes...
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2025 4:52 pm
by hedge
"and then averted the economic disaster that would normally be caused by such a thing by giving away monopoly money for people to inject into the economy for a year after that, which is why runaway inflation has been a thing ever since then."
"Runaway" inflation has been a thing ever since? This is almost as bad as IB calling Cinci a serious powerhouse. Inflation in the US topped out at over 9% in June 2022, exactly one year later it was down to 3% and didn't go over 3.7% for the next year. Then it dipped below 3% for the last several months of Biden's term. F, take a seat!