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Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 4:23 pm
by Owlman
They aren't a non-factor for Boehner? Boehner had to back out a deal because of the tea-party in the House. They weren't a non-factor for Hatch. They weren't a non-factor for Lugar. They were begging for anybody reasonable but Romney. It was being handed to Rick Perry if he hadn't shown himself to be an idgit.

I agree, Romney should run to the middle. But he hasn't moved that way at all. I just don't see him moving to the middle based on anything he's done. I would be glad if he did. I don't trust ideologues. Him governing towards the middle? Just don't see any evidence of that at all.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 4:29 pm
by Owlman
Peace through war?
Romney talks tough on Iran
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... ?hpt=hp_t2

“It is sometimes said that those who are the most committed to stopping the Iranian regime from securing nuclear weapons are reckless and provocative and inviting war,” he said. “The opposite is true. We are the true peacemakers. History teaches with force and clarity that when the world's most despotic regimes secure the world's most destructive weapons, peace often gives way to oppression, to violence, or to devastating war.”

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 4:40 pm
by eCat
[quote="Owlman"]They aren't a non-factor for Boehner? Boehner had to back out a deal because of the tea-party in the House. They weren't a non-factor for Hatch. They weren't a non-factor for Lugar. They were begging for anybody reasonable but Romney. It was being handed to Rick Perry if he hadn't shown himself to be an idgit.

I agree, Romney should run to the middle. But he hasn't moved that way at all. I just don't see him moving to the middle based on anything he's done. I would be glad if he did. I don't trust ideologues. Him governing towards the middle? Just don't see any evidence of that at all.

Romney isn't an idealist. He won't take a shit unless a poll tells him to.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 4:41 pm
by Owlman
I agree and he won't do anything that he thinks will cost him tea party support.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:33 pm
by Bklyn
Owlman wrote:Peace through war?
Actually, wasn't that the crux of Obama's Nobel Peace Prize speech?

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:45 pm
by Owlman
Hah. It should have been, if you fuck with me, I'm gonna fuck you up.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:46 pm
by Bklyn
WTF, W. Mitt Romney? So, you have an adviser go anonymous with reckless Anglo Saxon rhetoric, then follow it up with talk in Israel hinting at the cultural superiority of Israel (or more specifically, the cultural inferiority of Palestine) driving the economic realities of the region. If you add that up with the history of Mormons and blacks, I wonder if Romney just doesn't want to be President...or if he is just letting his real views seep out of the edges.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:23 pm
by Owlman
Add it up: The prediction models look dismal for Obama. Can he still win?


http://news.yahoo.com/add-it-up--the-pr ... -win-.html

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:34 pm
by eCat
I've felt for a long time Romney is going to get killed in the debates with Obama. Its not hubris, its just self confidence combined with being out of touch that makes him say these comments.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:51 pm
by sardis
Vegas has Obama 6-4. They have been more accurate than economists the last 20 years.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:28 pm
by Jungle Rat
Romney has no idea what the average American lives through every day. Than again on the lower scale, neither does DS.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:06 pm
by Owlman
Romney will do better than Palin during the debates (the lower the expectation, the better he will be perceived to have done).

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:06 am
by Owlman
Teaparty in decline? Cruz was backed by Palin while the establishment and Gov backed Dewhurst.

Cruz beats Dewhurst

http://www.chron.com/news/politics/arti ... 750759.php

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:14 am
by Bklyn
The Dems think they can make a run at Texas in the next 5 - 10 yrs because of the Tea Party and immigration issues. They think they can, at least, turn it into a battleground state. We'll see about that, but the changing demographics make it better than a pipe dream.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:09 am
by eCat
I still think the teaparty falls apart if Obama loses.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:24 am
by Owlman
If Romney governs from the far right, I agree. He tries to govern compromising and from the middle? No way.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:31 am
by eCat
the reality of our economy appears to be that we avoided an immediate crashin 2008 by replacing it with a slow painful one.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:40 am
by Owlman
An catastrophic rapid crash would have catastrophically crashed the world's economy as well and led to a great depression like very long term problem with unemployment approaching 20% (the great depression had unemployment up to 25%). Even if we go back into a recession, it will not be as deep as the great depression.

Not unless, as with the great depression, we get a natural disaster such as the dust bowl, which was caused by prolonged drought in the bread basket combined with exacerbating and contributing man-made decisions. WAIT! Oh SNAP. We're in trouble.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:43 am
by Owlman
60 House Bills to Name Post Offices, Zero To Fix Mail Service

http://news.yahoo.com/60-house-bills-na ... itics.html

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:49 am
by 10ac
We have lots of fiddlers.