The Goat Pen

What does large accounts mean?

"funny how they are all election deniers now isn't it"

Nobody has ever given a fuck what some random yahoos on twitter or tick tock think about anything, get back to me when Kamala won't let it go for years on end without proof...

California has to get their shit together and actually count their votes before we can really even talk about the differences. Its not gonna be tens of millions though

I think a big problem with elections and politics is that education in civics seems to have been largely removed. Focus has been changed to history. Probably not helped by the fact that the trends in history in academia is focused on basically “grievance history”

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aTm wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 4:04 pm California has to get their shit together and actually count their votes before we can really even talk about the differences. Its not gonna be tens of millions though

So do the numbers in the graph you posted not reflect any votes from California? I mean it won't matter anyway as far as who won, but it would certainly make 2020 appear much less of an outlier...

I remember Cletus throwing a fit about the electoral college when Hillary won the popular vote

hedge wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 4:00 pm "funny how they are all election deniers now isn't it"

Nobody has ever given a fuck what some random yahoos on twitter or tick tock think about anything, get back to me when Kamala won't let it go for years on end without proof...

looks like its taken 4 years to get proof

eCat wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 4:40 pm I remember Cletus throwing a fit about the electoral college when Hillary won the popular vote

Well Dems won the popular vote 7 out of the last 8 elections before yesterday. The electoral college is DEI for rednecks...

hedge wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 4:13 pm So do the numbers in the graph you posted not reflect any votes from California? I mean it won't matter anyway as far as who won, but it would certainly make 2020 appear much less of an outlier...

I imagine it includes whatever votes were counted and reported at the time the graph was created by whoever created it. I can tell you that currently if I go to the NYT website, there's only 9.6 million total votes from California, so Kamala will likely get at least 3+ million more. She's gonna finish 15 million behind Biden rather than 20 million, but current vote totals obviously arent what the final numbers will be, thats the point. It also means Trump may get closer to the same number he got last time.

If someone was manipulating the vote total in 2020, why would they pad it so much in extremely blue states? It's meaningless. Biden won the popular vote by 7 million nationwide, he won California by 6 million, New York by 2 million and Illinois by 1 million. Take just CA and NY out and Trump won the popular vote everywhere else. It's not difficult to believe that CA and NY alone made up the entire popular vote differential (and then some) in 2020. So what's the big deal? Except that it's been AI all along, I mean...

I mean, I assume the implication of that graph is that there was some successful conspiracy in 2020 to manufacture votes for Biden, right? But why would anyone (or group) that was savvy enough and had the wherewithal to actually pull that off make essentially the entire popular vote differential come from a single state? Why not spread it around or at least not make it so razor thin in 5 or 6 states? Unless it was just to demonstrate what "they" could do and use that information to hold sway over governments, corporations, potentates, etc? Or else it was just AI fuckin' around. Or, and I know this is going to be the most shocking sounding theory, that's just the actual, for real vote totals from 2020.

I do have to say that given the rally sizes and enthusiasm, the money raised, the number of people who volunteered to work for her campaign and the consistent poll numbers for months now, it does seem almost inconceivable that Kamala would get that many less votes than Joe friggin' Biden did in 2020. But of course, AI doesn't care what I can conceive of or not...

hedge wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 4:48 pm

eCat wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 4:40 pm I remember Cletus throwing a fit about the electoral college when Hillary won the popular vote

Well Dems won the popular vote 7 out of the last 8 elections before yesterday. The electoral college is DEI for rednecks...

one of us actually took civics class and paid attention

my guess is that they didn't coordinate it at a national level, they just said stuff the ballot at the state level in swing states. Georgia, Arizona, Pennsylvania.....

I mean look at the hand bought DA's and Judges they have lined up against Trump - its clear they aren't going with mensa candidates for corruption

I dont think it proves anything nefarious. I just mention that it will remain an obvious outlier or anomaly that will be in the data. The 2020 election came down to Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, etc, so yeah you'd need smoking guns specific to those places that would overturn electoral votes, not just nationwide vote totals.

The reality is that the way the 2020 election would end up being run in about 35 states was basically the brain child of progressive interests. They designed and funded all of the responses to the pandemic that they wanted and which they could use to boost Democrat turnout and even (according to them) with a specific goal to make sure there would be no way Donald Trump could succeed in claiming there were any issues.

Time wrote a whole article detailing about how the election was "saved" by these progressive interests. I recommend, even if you are inclined to agree with it all and even happy with it, try to also read it with some "skepticals" over your eyes and think about other possible interpretations of what's written in it. The main "hero" of the piece, Podhorzer, is actually a guy you can still hear railing, ranting, and raving about Donald Trump, MAGA, the Supreme Court, etc on political podcasts to this day.

https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

hedge wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 5:08 pm I mean, I assume the implication of that graph is that there was some successful conspiracy in 2020 to manufacture votes for Biden, right? But why would anyone (or group) that was savvy enough and had the wherewithal to actually pull that off make essentially the entire popular vote differential come from a single state? Why not spread it around or at least not make it so razor thin in 5 or 6 states? Unless it was just to demonstrate what "they" could do and use that information to hold sway over governments, corporations, potentates, etc? Or else it was just AI fuckin' around. Or, and I know this is going to be the most shocking sounding theory, that's just the actual, for real vote totals from 2020.

I do have to say that given the rally sizes and enthusiasm, the money raised, the number of people who volunteered to work for her campaign and the consistent poll numbers for months now, it does seem almost inconceivable that Kamala would get that many less votes than Joe friggin' Biden did in 2020. But of course, AI doesn't care what I can conceive of or not...

Its... Not.

2004 dem numbers were legit.
2008 dem numbers were legit.
2012 dem numbers were legit.
2016 dem numbers were legit.
2020 dem numbers were voter fraud.
2024 dem numbers were legit.

There is no rational, logical reason why an extra 14 million democrats got off the couch and voted for Biden in 2020 and that same 14 million decided to stay home in 2024, not unless you irrationally believe that democrats hate black men like Obama and hate any woman who runs for POTUS.

"one of us actually took civics class and paid attention"

Heh, I'll put my knowledge of civics up against yours anytime. There are and have been plenty of solid arguments against the EC for decades. Came close to being abolished in the early 70's but was filibustered by the usual suspects. I can guarantee you if, say, Texas turned consistently blue, ensuring Dem EC victories every election, repubs would be rabidly for abolishing it. Funny how that works..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral ... 80%931970)

aTm wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 5:37 pm https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

Just read the whole thing. No where did it say that Podhurzer got registered voting lists and located an extra 14,000,000 registered democrat voters (who were still ALIVE) who had not voted, to go to their homes and get these people laying on the couch to get off the couch and fill out their ballots for them and then stick said ballot in the mail. What I read was 35 minutes of noise, rhetoric, and word salad.

2020 was voter fraud. I knew that then. Last night proved it. Because they didn't repeat it.

I'm just gonna sit back & enjoy the carnage. I don't see Trump living another 4 years anyway. Someone will either take him out or he'll choke on a cheeseburger.

Doesn't he get sentenced in a few days? This is gonna be fun. I missed ripping on Trump.