The Goat Pen

hedge wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 9:32 am How can you believe a president who says he's going to stop fentanyl from getting into the country when he can't even stop it from being dispensed in the White House??

VDH wrote:Ronald Reagan did more for Open Borders than any other President. He signed the Simpson Mazzoli Act. (...) That ended deportation.

Tree wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:41 pm Simspon Mazzoli introduced criminal penalties to employers who had illegals working for them. That's all we need to fix the problem (Saint's nonsense about a military invasion of Mexico notwithstanding). Unfortunately it was never enforced since it wages war on rich corporations. Just more of the same from either party. Big talk but in the end it's just lip service.

innocentbystander wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:02 pm

Tree wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:41 pm Simspon Mazzoli introduced criminal penalties to employers who had illegals working for them. That's all we need to fix the problem (Saint's nonsense about a military invasion of Mexico notwithstanding). Unfortunately it was never enforced since it wages war on rich corporations. Just more of the same from either party. Big talk but in the end it's just lip service.

It is lip service.

In 1986, 70% of congress were democrats. Any bill that gets through congress in 1986, must be left of center or it isn't signed into law. Or at the very least, any Republican centric bill would die on Capitol Hill as "I'm just a bill. Yes I'm only a bill. And I sit right here on Capitol Hill." That kind of thing.

VDH is correct. Reagan did more for open borders than any President in US history even if Ann Coulter wasn't able to understand that until just now. But much of that was we (as a society) weren't as sophisticated about illegal immigration then as we are now. Milton Freidman was perfectly happy with open borders. His philosophy was, let all the illegals in and give them all jobs and wages go down to a $1 an hour. Once that happens, the market takes over and there would be no more illegals because they couldn't afford to live here. Problem with his logic, Milton Freidman didn't have to live near these illegals, live among them. But other poorer US citizens did and they home life was riddled with crime and ruin. And that crime and ruin, we are talking 4+ decades of it. There is no "melting pot" among illegal aliens from peasant cultures who never came to assimilate in the first place. They just wanted money, but chose to live here as they lived there!

Tree wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:41 pm Simspon Mazzoli introduced criminal penalties to employers who had illegals working for them. That's all we need to fix the problem (Saint's nonsense about a military invasion of Mexico notwithstanding). Unfortunately it was never enforced since it wages war on rich corporations. Just more of the same from either party. Big talk but in the end it's just lip service.

sardis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:24 am

Tree wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:41 pm Simspon Mazzoli introduced criminal penalties to employers who had illegals working for them. That's all we need to fix the problem (Saint's nonsense about a military invasion of Mexico notwithstanding). Unfortunately it was never enforced since it wages war on rich corporations. Just more of the same from either party. Big talk but in the end it's just lip service.

Extremely rare cogent point by Tree