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Damn, I knew Manziel was kinda short but this picture with Gronk was eye-opening. Gronk's 6'6" but it's still hard to believe Manziel was so successful last year.

Agree. Hashtags are stupid. Hash is not.

The Orlando Sentinel and Butthurt Bianchi releasing stories that sat on while Urban was in Gainesville. Nice

Looks like you tOSU boys have a lot to look forward too.

SEC Scoring Offense - PPG scored (National Rank):

Texas A&M, 48.0 (4th)
Missouri, 41.8 (12th)
Alabama, 41.3 (13th)
LSU, 40.2 (14th)

Auburn, 37.0 (27th)
Georgia, 36.0 (33rd)
Ole Miss, 32.5 (46th)
Vandy, 32.1 (48th)
South Carolina, 31.9 (50th)
MissState, 30.1 (62nd)

Tennessee, 27.9 (72nd)
Florida, 21.1 (102nd)
Kentucky, 20.6 (105th)
Arkansas, 20.4 (106th)


SEC Scoring Defense - PPG allowed (National Rank):


Alabama, 9.8 (1st)

Florida, 16.3 (8th)

Auburn, 20.5 (24th)
LSU, 21.9 (30th)
Missouri, 22.8 (36th)
MissState, 22.9 (38th)
South Carolina, 22.9 (38th)
Ole Miss, 25.6 (58th)
Kentucky, 29.1 (75th)
Tennessee, 29.3 (78th)

Vandy, 30.3 (84th)
Arkansas, 30.6 (86th)
Texas A&M, 32.6 (97th)
Georgia, 33.3 (101st)

And now you know why Bama won't be beat.

I do like Floridas numbers also though. They're still 2 years away though.

Though you shouldn't use "though" twice in two sentences, though...

through and through

SEC Scoring Offense - PPG scored (National Rank):

Texas A&M, 49.2 (4th)
Missouri, 41.3 (11th)
Alabama, 40.9 (12th)

Auburn, 38.6 (17th)
LSU, 37.9 (21st)
Georgia, 35.6 (30th)
Ole Miss, 32.7 (45th)
Vandy, 32.3 (46th)
South Carolina, 32.1 (48th)

MissState, 29.8 (58th)
Tennessee, 24.9 (87th)
Kentucky, 23.2 (94th)
Florida, 20.6 (106th)
Arkansas, 20.4 (109th)


SEC Scoring Defense - PPG allowed (National Rank):

Alabama, 10.6 (1st)
Florida, 19.0 (16th)

Missouri, 20.2 (21st)
Auburn, 20.4 (22nd)
South Carolina, 22.1 (32nd)
LSU, 23.5 (46th)
Ole Miss, 25.4 (58th)
MissState, 27.2 (71st)
Georgia, 28.8 (77th)
Vandy, 28.8 (77th)
Kentucky, 29.6 (81st)

Texas A&M, 30.9 (89th)
Arkansas, 31.4 (91st)
Tennessee, 32.0 (93rd)

Net Points - Average Per Game Point Differential (points scored - points allowed)

1. Alabama, 30.3
2. Missouri, 21.1
3. Texas A&M, 18.3
4. Auburn, 18.2
5. LSU, 14.4
6. South Carolina, 10.0
7. Ole Miss, 7.3
8. Georgia, 6.8
9. Vandy 3.5
10. MissState, 2.6
11. Florida, 1.6

12. Kentucky <-6.4>
13. Tennessee <-7.1>
14. Arkansas, <-11>

On GameDay, Finebaum was slamming Baylor, saying they'd have 3 losses by now in the SEC. Said the Big12 was weak. Desmond Howard reminded Paul that Missouri and A&M were from the Big12 and seemed to be surviving the week-to-week WAR that is the SEC okay. Finebaum didn't have a response.

I think the response would be this: Neither TAMU or Mizzou have won anything in the SEC yet. Save the arguments that the BigXII and SEC are equals at least until one of them does something substantial in the SEC. Ideally until they do something substantive on a regular basis.

Since joining the SEC, Mizz and TAMU have a combined 17-11 conference record, which is decent, I suppose. The question to me is, what would their records have been in the BigXII?

Maybe the Big 12 would be great if it didnt have shitty TCU and WVU and instead had A&M and Missouri (plus Nebraska) but it doesnt does it?

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Missouri and A&M have won plenty of SEC games and that's the point. They weren't supposed to be competitive at all in the SEC for years and years to come. At least that's what most SEC fans believed in early 2012, about Missouri in particular. The SEC is simply too tough, the coaches are all outstanding, brilliant minds, the talent is all-NFL caliber, the settings are just too intense...Missouri was predicted to be a doormat for decades.

Have they won a conf title? No, but that's setting a bar that Arkansas, & South Carolina haven't met either, and yet I bet most SEC fans had more respect for both because they already are SEC members. Heck Ole Miss and Miss State haven't won a conf title in 50 years. Kentucky had a crooked one in the 70's and Vandy has never won one.

Shrug or deny all you like, but when the SEC adds two new members who were merely "okay" in another conference and they immediately become more successful, it chips away at the aura of invincibility around the SEC. Maybe they aren't as far ahead of everyone as ESPN says they are?

These things change year to year. The Big 12 is down this year. Their second best quarterback is a dogfight between whichever freshman Texas Tech quarterback isn't hurt and suckass but full of moxie Case McCoy. The year A&M left, the Big 12 had a shit ton more talent than it does now. In a truly offensive league, Baylor's quarterback was Robert Griffin, A&M's was Ryan Tannehill, Oklahoma States was Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma had Landry Jones, Kansas State had Collin Klein, and James Franklin was just taking the reins at Missouri. Even Seth Doege would probably be the league's second best quarterback if he could still play this year. The only reason nobody gave the league respect that year is because Oklahoma State won the league and therefore it couldn't have been any good if Texas or OU weren't dominating (which is idiotic).

I agree with you that the SEC is viewed as all-powerful because its top teams dominate (similar to the Big 12 is viewed as being on a high when Texas and OU are good) and that the middle/lower tier aren't world beaters, but the Big 12 is genuinely down this year. I think there's a solid chance that a team that was blown up by Ole Miss and destroyed to the tune of 450 rushing yards by BYU is actually going to win the league. Also there are very, very few big time players in the Big 12 compared to the SEC and even the PAC and ACC as well for sure. The Big Ten even has more players who are "name players" to me and I come from a Big 12 region and background.

All I can say for the Big 12's sake is that it'd be a pretty solid conference in 2013 if they hadn't run 3 good teams off and replaced them with paper tigers.

"Their second best quarterback is a dogfight between whichever freshman Texas Tech quarterback isn't hurt and suckass but full of moxie Case McCoy."

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