The Goat Pen

War is great for business...

Those knives will work fine for the next coup attempt. I hope they're red white & blue.

Sick fuck

she should be happy Trump was arrested last Tuesday like you said

Man you have really fallen hard e.

I can only aspire to reach the heights you have on here

We know.

DeSantis gets endorsed by Jeb Bush and is being handled by Karl Rove

That is the kiss of death to him. He'll be persona non grata with the GOP base in short order.

The GOP just does NOT GET the GOP Base. They just don't.

I get it. I understand their motivations. The GOP gets huge contributions from the various Chambers of Commerce and lobbyist dollars from big business, and those entities not only want open borders, they want unlimited supply of migrant labor. But that is not what the GOP Base wants. And lecturing/shaming/guilting their base as to who they SHOULD be voting for in the primary, will not help the GOP.

I think the minute Trump announced he was running for re-election, every other GOP candidate needed to exit it.

I mean the GOP should have learned their lesson. I remember Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012 fucking everything all up in the early primary states (early polling) and causing Hannity and Tucker Carlson to lose their shit. But Ron Paul never actually won anything because he could never get past that 20% threshold, unlike Trump.

"That is the kiss of death to him."

Almost as much as Trump has been the kiss of death to republican candidates and to the republican party itself...

that's what his base wants though

the whole election of Trump was a rejection of Rove, Cheney, McCain, Ryan politics - they want that gone

And brought down the entire party in the process...

And their goal was the entire country. Hang them all.

hedge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 2:27 pm And brought down the entire party in the process...

Would you have ever voted for Ryan, McCain, any of the GOPe if they could have beaten Trump? If not, then it makes no difference to you. Or the GOP.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.--That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate, that governments long established, should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.

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I say hang the enablers

hedge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 2:27 pm And brought down the entire party in the process...

works for me

"Would you have ever voted for Ryan, McCain, any of the GOPe if they could have beaten Trump? If not, then it makes no difference to you. Or the GOP."

I probably wouldn't but there are plenty who would have. And that makes a huge difference to the GOP...

hedge wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:14 am "Would you have ever voted for Ryan, McCain, any of the GOPe if they could have beaten Trump? If not, then it makes no difference to you. Or the GOP."

I probably wouldn't but there are plenty who would have. And that makes a huge difference to the GOP...

well, I suppose some of what you are saying is true.

"They" estimated (estimate being the operative word) that 25% of the Bernie Sanders primary voters, voted for Donald Trump and NOT Hillary Clinton in the 2016 election. Since Trump's votes went up by 8,000,000 from 2016 to 2020, its probably a pretty safe bet that all the Bernie Sanders would-be-voters that were still alive in 2020 that voted for Trump in 2016, did so again. I'd also argue that LESS of them would have voted for DeSantis or Rubio or Jeb! or any of the others. So if you believe that the 2020 election was on the up-and-up (and I do NOT, but if YOU do) then it would not have made a huge difference.

Math is math. Sure I can't speak for all people and I don't really want to. But individuals make very logical decisions when it comes to voting in elections. Quite often they can't even fully explain the logic as to WHY they voted the way they voted. But there is logic to it. And their subconscious self tells them who to vote for.