The Goat Pen

eCat wrote: ↑Wed Feb 08, 2023 8:09 pm I had to read up on Seymour Hersh before I was going to tout that.

Holy shit , its that is true, how can Germany even call us an ally

And this article was from like 7 years ago...

"In recent years, however, Hersh has appeared increasingly to have gone off the rails. His stories, often alleging vast and shadowy conspiracies, have made startling — and often internally inconsistent — accusations, based on little or no proof beyond a handful of anonymous "officials."

Similarly, Hersh's earlier blockbusters were all quickly confirmed by dozens of independent reports and mountains of physical proof. That's how such exposés typically work: the first glint of sunshine brings a rush of attention, which uncovers more evidence and encourages more sources to come forward, until the truth is incontrovertible.

That is not how things have gone with Hersh's newer and more conspiratorial stories. Rather, they have tended to remain all alone in their claims, and at times have been debunked. This is not, in other words, the first time."

https://www.vox.com/2015/5/11/8584473/s ... -bin-laden

"I can't believe that isn't the biggest story out there - that provocation for war"

Um, see above. I'm not saying it's not true, but until somebody besides Hersh weighs in, I'm skeptical. Kinda like Trump with the stolen election thingy...

Wow, what a shocker:

Russia gleefully endorses Hersh claim that US blew up Nord Stream

The claim by a discredited journalist that the US secretly blew up the Nord Stream pipeline is proving a gift to Putin

Once-celebrated journalist Seymour Hersh made unproven claims the US blew up the Nord Stream pipelines.

Hersh won a Pulitzer in 1970, but his more recent work has come under sharp criticism.

But Russia pounced on his claim, swiftly endorsing it despite there being no current evidence of its truth.

A journalist's heavily disputed claim on Wednesday that the US government blew up the Nord Stream 2 pipelines sparked a flat rejection from the White House — and glee from the Kremlin.

Seymour Hersh alleged in a self-published article that the Biden administration partnered with Norway in a top-secret operation targeting the pipelines under the Baltic Sea, which were destroyed in June 2022.

The White House, contacted by Hersh for comment, called the story "false and complete fiction" and issued a further denial after the article was published.

The Norwegian Ministry of Foreign Affairs told Insider: "These allegations are nonsense."

None of that stopped Russia, which swiftly endorsed Hersh's claim and breathlessly reported it via its closely controlled state media.

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia- ... m-2-2023-2

Sounds like the same credentials as other journalists use.

BTW, even the Washington Post reported that no one, now, believes Russia did it, but it had to be Sovereign nation sponsored. Who would have done it?

Poland

turns out everyone has classified documents

Jungle Rat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 12:28 pmPoland

Pollocks couldn't pull that off

They're sneaky those Pollocks. Don't trust em.

"Sounds like the same credentials as other journalists use."

Well, at least he "quoted" one unnamed source, that's one more than Trump has ever done with his completely made up claims about election fraud...

"BTW, even the Washington Post reported that no one, now, believes Russia did it"

Oh wow, so now it's "EVEN the Washington Post reported"? Glad to see you're citing them as an unimpeachable news source now...

so your source on Russia doing it is who?

Are you talking to me?

hedge wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 2:17 pm "Sounds like the same credentials as other journalists use."

Well, at least he "quoted" one unnamed source, that's one more than Trump has ever done with his completely made up claims about election fraud...

Don't worry, the Repubs won't need any evidence if they get to make this new council on election integrity that bypasses the justice system.

You’re relying on assertions from a man who is widely acknowledged to have looked the other way when sexual assault was occurring against the very young men he was charged with supervising as an assistant coach?

Tree was a willing victim.