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Can he be fired from fucking his grand step-daughter?

Professor Tiger wrote:I'm sure it was completely legal, at least in the '50's and in a non-union shop. It's probably completely legal today too. All you need is a first line supervisor to say, "You were five minutes late yesterday. You are fired." The employee doesn't even have to be five minutes late. He just needs for someone to say he is five minutes late.

That's all it takes.

No, I'm just sayin it's a company's right to fire an employee for whatever the heck they feel like.

Don't like their hair color? Fine.

Fire em for smokin? Yep.

Whatever they want.

Employees are hired to benifit the company and when the company decides they are no longer needed then I am fine for them letting them go.

Just like I am fine with the employee finding another job.

This is provided no contract was broken (if the company or the employee has to provide notice by contract etc).

Now because I support tht right doesn't mean I think it is the right thing to do (fire someone for their hair color for example) but I still support their right to do it.

BOJ, I always thought you were a pretty decent guy. Now I don't. You are piece of shit. I hope some sleazy med-mal lawyer takes you for everything you are worth.

So exactly why am I a POS? Because I support the right of someone to do with their company what they want? Because I support an employee being able to do wha they want with their life?

I did say provided no contracts were broken.

You also will notice I didn't say I thought it was the right thing to do, just their right to do it, both ways employee and employer. I can't make someone stay and work that doesn't want to, the company doesn't have to have someone work for them they don't want either.

Similar to the fact that I don't think it's the right thing to do to speak out in favor of terrorists, but I support an individals right to do so.

I guess feeling that people should be able to do what they want/need to do with their life makes me a POS LOL.

I remember stories my Mom used to tell about when Daddy was waiting out his "probation" before being able to join his union at Kimberly-Clarke in Childersburg many years ago. Had to work 6 months consecutive... was laid off for a week three times after working 5 1/2 months, once on the day before he hit his 6 months.

You also will notice I didn't say I thought it was the right thing to do, just their right to do it, both ways employee and employer. I can't make someone stay and work that doesn't want to, the company doesn't have to have someone work for them they don't want either.

You'd be amazed at how hard it is to just "fire" people some times. Most people whom I've worked around and were fired either effed up, (like a guy today cutting through an airplane frame by "accident", after he'd cut through a stringer by "accident") or were absolute POS. The absolute POS was the hardest to fire, because it takes a certain amount of documentation in many cases now.

AlabamAlum wrote:I would totally understand and support a company that decided to not use Morgan Freeman as a spokesperson anymore.

Yeah, but we all know Morgan doesn't have to worry about that.

9:1

TheBigMook wrote:

AlabamAlum wrote:I would totally understand and support a company that decided to not use Morgan Freeman as a spokesperson anymore.

Furthermore, I strongly urge ESPN/ABC to reject Morgan Freeman's submission for the replacement MNF song, "Are You Prepared to Observe a Struggle for Gridiron Dominance?"

lol...good one.

I guess Freeman isn't getting much national play because he didn't actually call anybody a racist. I figured he did, since that's what the title of the video said...but then I just watched the clip. Unless my ears deceive me, I think he's saying "the tea party is sayin' screw the country, we're going to make sure obama is a one-term president...we want that black president outta here."

Plus, he didn't appear to be belligerent, drunk, or hungover.

What a coinkidink....you never actually hear Williams call Obammer Hitler either.

Correct. "oprama is hitler" - I never heard HWJr say those exact words.

Sooo, it's really intentions here....Williams, drunk, teabagger, nefarious intentions....Freeman, progressive, good intended attempt at enlightenment....

I don't think Williams had nefarious intentions. I just think he was dumb. It was understandable for a company to want to avoid that association.

He would have been fine If he had came out and said, "I am not a fan of President Obama. I believe he has made numerous mistakes in his 1000 days in office and has not clearly defined a positive direction for the country. I will certainly be casting my vote next year for a different candidate."

Instead, he made an odd ball Hitler reference and said he was the enemy. Then something about Biden and Obama being the three stooges or something close. It was stupid, and he did sound drunk. If he had said the same thing about Bush a few years back, I would say the same thing.

Williams is simply the latest with nefarious intentions....Trent Lott...George Allen...etc...the point is only conservatives have nefarious intentions, and thus need to be exposed by a benevolent erudite media.

Toemeesleather wrote:Williams is simply the latest with nefarious intentions....Trent Lott...George Allen...etc...the point is only conservatives have nefarious intentions, and thus need to be exposed by a benevolent erudite media.

ONLY conservatives get exposed for...saying things that walk the line between evil and innocuous?

I must have dreamed up that blowup about oprama and the Special Olympics. And all those times poor Joe Biden has stuck his foot in his mouth. Charlie Rangel.. Keith Obermann...Jeanine Garafaolo

..etc.. heh

TheBigMook wrote:Can he be fired from fucking his grand step-daughter?

yes, unless it is a violation of some contract to fire him

BOJ, I apologize for my post yesterday. It was way over the line.

I still think you are completely wrong in your view that it is fine for businesses to ruin peoples' lives on a whim. But my post was wrong too. So let me try a more civilized approach:

If the president of your med school walked in to your class and said, "Mr. BOJ, you are set to graduate in a month. You have performed exceptionally well in your studies. But I have decided to kick you out of med school immediately. I don't owe you an explanation, but I will tell you anyway: you had dandruff last week.

I have reviewed your file, and I notice that this school has no contract with you wherein we promise you a medical degree just because you pass all your classes. Besides, you will fail all your classes this last semester anyway because I said so. You know, that dandruff thingie we talked about.

So, I wish you all the best in your future endeavors. Now clean out your locker and get out."

BOJ, would you be okay with that? If not, why not?

Owlman wrote:

TheBigMook wrote:Can he be fired from fucking his grand step-daughter?

yes, unless it is a violation of some contract to fire him

Just to be clear, I said "from" not "for".

yes, don't renew his viagra prescription

Professor Tiger wrote:BOJ, I apologize for my post yesterday. It was way over the line.

I still think you are completely wrong in your view that it is fine for businesses to ruin peoples' lives on a whim. But my post was wrong too. So let me try a more civilized approach:

If the president of your med school walked in to your class and said, "Mr. BOJ, you are set to graduate in a month. You have performed exceptionally well in your studies. But I have decided to kick you out of med school immediately. I don't owe you an explanation, but I will tell you anyway: you had dandruff last week.

I have reviewed your file, and I notice that this school has no contract with you wherein we promise you a medical degree just because you pass all your classes. Besides, you will fail all your classes this last semester anyway because I said so. You know, that dandruff thingie we talked about.

So, I wish you all the best in your future endeavors. Now clean out your locker and get out."

BOJ, would you be okay with that? If not, why not?

Well you are talking about different things here. Med school the students are paying the administration for the education so they are the customer/consumer. Even still med schools have a code of conduct and a written contract that you sign saying you will be advanced if X happens and will not if Y happens. You will aslo be kicked out if Z happens. So it's a completely different situation.


One of my classmates was kicked out of med school for telling a lie. A few of the more liberal students thought that was awful and even said "but he wasn't at school when he did it so it shouldn't matter." The dean had a meeting with the class and explained to them that everything they did the rest of their life would reflect on the medical school. He sholdn't have had to say that but society has become so liberal it was needed. That's sad.

But there was no need for an apology. It's a message board we all get chippy from time to time and say type things that don't quite come out the way they should.

But as I said I didn't say it was the right thing to do for people to just fire someone on a whim, but it should be their right as the employer to do so just the same as it's the employees right to quit any time they want. That's what contracts are for if you want more security etc.

I worked at a factory for many years and there was a very loose contract but they pretty much were able to do exactly what they wanted. I was working and going to school and they would repay for any class that would benifit the company (engineering, math etc). They stopped that program. People knew I was one of the very few that was using it. They asked me if I was mad, and made the comments that I should be pissed. My response was "it was a favor that they were doing to begin with. They didn't have to do that and I appreciate what they have done for me." Sure I wished they had continued it, but educating me wasn't their responsibility, and there was nothing saying they had to do it. It was gravy as far as I was concerned and I appreciated it, but I understood that from a business standpoint that they needed to do it. They didn't "owe" me anything except payment for the work I did for them.

Residency was even worse than any factory, for many many years they could hold a physician back for nothing, fire them for nothing. One of the "way back when" rumors was that a resident was fired for hanging an xray backward. I know for a fact residents were not allowed to be married at one time and were fired on the spot if it was found that they were married. That wasn't right, but it was their right at the time becase there were no contracts signed that gave the resident any recourse or protection.

At least now there is a semblance of a contract that gives the resident some security, but it's still not much and you can get some pretty bad things just from pissing off the wrong person. That's life. You have to be very careful LOL.

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