The Goat Pen

Goodell was strangely huggy with the big men last night...

I look forward to DS's realization that RG3 folds like a cheap suit when he gets hit once or twice.

we get a true playoff in college football, finally!

with 4, it is almost mathematically impossible to run the table and NOT make the playoff (the way Auburn did in 2004 and Cincinnati did 2 years ago)

shaddup

with 4, it is almost mathematically impossible to run the table and NOT make the playoff (the way Auburn did in 2004 and Cincinnati did 2 years ago)

Almost mathematically impossible? Wrong, it will happen, though probably not to a team with enough clout for people to care about.

aTm wrote:

with 4, it is almost mathematically impossible to run the table and NOT make the playoff (the way Auburn did in 2004 and Cincinnati did 2 years ago)

Almost mathematically impossible? Wrong, it will happen, though probably not to a team with enough clout for people to care about.

it wont happen in our lifetimes

we will never again see a situation where an undefeated BCS champion, wont get a ticket to the playoffs, not with 4 slots

You are a fucktard.

In the past 5 years there have been 4 teams who finished with undefeated records and have not been in the top 4 in the final BCS rankings. "Almost mathematically impossible" and "Never again in our lifetimes" is a fucking ridiculous thing to say.

I'm going to assume you mean major conference teams only, because otherwise you are nuts. That probably wont happen in our lifetimes, largely because theres no chance in hell we have 4 game playoff and it doesnt get expanded to 8 within a handful of years.

aTm wrote:You are a fucktard.

In the past 5 years there have been 4 teams who finished with undefeated records and have not been in the top 4 in the final BCS rankings. "Almost mathematically impossible" and "Never again in our lifetimes" is a fucking ridiculous thing to say.

aTm,

i don't care about Boise State, Utah (pre 2011), or TCU (pre 2012.) i care about Cincinnati and Auburn.

point me to the season an undefeated BCS team wasn't playing for the national championship when a team with at least one loss WAS playing for the national championship. you can have all 14 years of the BCS. go

innocentbystander wrote:

aTm wrote:You are a fucktard.

In the past 5 years there have been 4 teams who finished with undefeated records and have not been in the top 4 in the final BCS rankings. "Almost mathematically impossible" and "Never again in our lifetimes" is a fucking ridiculous thing to say.

aTm,

i don't care about Boise State, Utah (pre 2011), or TCU (pre 2012.) i care about Cincinnati and Auburn.

point me to the season an undefeated BCS team wasn't playing for the national championship when a team with at least one loss WAS playing for the national championship

Well it was before the BcS...but West Virginia was undefeated in 1993...and was passed over to a 1-loss FSU team.

aTm wrote:I'm going to assume you mean major conference teams only, because otherwise you are nuts. That probably wont happen in our lifetimes, largely because theres no chance in hell we have 4 game playoff and it doesnt get expanded to 8 within a handful of years.

Kirk Herbstreit already went on record stating that the fear at the Rose Bowl is that people will "stay home" and not go to the game because Alumni/fans only get one weekend to travel to a bowl game a year, and the fans of both teams would believe it is their team that would be playing for the true National Championship, a week later. they want to go to that game instead

just getting them to go from 2 to 4 took decades aTm.

THE_WIZARD_ wrote:Well it was before the BcS...but West Virginia was undefeated in 1993...and was passed over to a 1-loss FSU team.

i don't count bowl alliance or bowl coalition or anything that far back. those things were formed by my grandfather, WWII dinosaurs, who still believed that a 9-2 Notre Dame must get an automatic bid for the National Championship simply because they knew the stadium would sellout, the tv ratings would be high, and 70,000,000 American Catholics would be sent to purgitory if they didn't watch the game

Well I don't know what the best plan would be...the most fair way is to include all the major conference champions and a couple 2 or 3 wild cards based on a point system. That way if you don't win your conference you can't say boo...and if you are a non-BCS school you still have a shot via a wild card. Take 8 teams...1st round and semis played at higher seeds. Play NC at a rotating venue just like Super Bowl. You can still have bowls (just whittle them down to a reasonable number...and make 7 wins a minimum). Bowls would be like the NIT tournament...

But they won't...at best we are looking at a 4 team tourney played AFTER the bowls. That is better than what we have but not perfect.

THE_WIZARD_ wrote:Well I don't know what the best plan would be...the most fair way is to include all the major conference champions and a couple 2 or 3 wild cards based on a point system. That way if you don't win your conference you can't say boo...and if you are a non-BCS school you still have a shot via a wild card. Take 8 teams...1st round and semis played at higher seeds. Play NC at a rotating venue just like Super Bowl. You can still have bowls (just whittle them down to a reasonable number...and make 7 wins a minimum). Bowls would be like the NIT tournament...

But they won't...at best we are looking at a 4 team tourney played AFTER the bowls. That is better than what we have but not perfect.

i think the 4 team playoff must be "part" of the bowls. the concern here is money and game attendance. if you play it after the bowls, then that is two more games that alumni/fans have to travel to (two more weekends, gone) in the month of January. people can't do that, they have lives and responsibilities. fuck Wiz, some schools can't even sell out their alotment of tickets to one post season game (VPI has been on the hook for a million for Orange Bowl tickets, UConn on the hook for 2 million for Fiesta Bowl tickets)

with the NFL it's easy. the playoff games are local, so of course they sellout. they don't put the fans out in anyway. same can not be said of college football. you have to be mindful of travel

I think the bowls and the NCAA are getting ready to fight about the amount of money bowls are making maybe shuutting out completely the bowlls from a playoff according tpo yahoo

andrew luck's hilight package showed a lot of surprising good runs and one pretty good catch.

otoh the top CB I forgot who it was but chucky gruden showed a lowlite special getting run over and faked out about 5 clips in a row

In an 8-team playoff there would only be four teams playing an extra game IB...the losing Final Four teams would in essence have an extra game...the finals teams would have two extra games. I don't think that is a big deal.

THE_WIZARD_ wrote:In an 8-team playoff there would only be four teams playing an extra game IB...the losing Final Four teams would in essence have an extra game...the finals teams would have two extra games. I don't think that is a big deal.

it is a huge deal if one of those teams playing in the playoffs is a smaller, private univeristy (with a smaller alumni base.) they will not go to all the games wiz

i know of what I speak

Well tough shit then. We are going to accomodate an entire new playoff system for Boston College? Like they are going to sniff a playoff...lmao.

THE_WIZARD_ wrote:Well tough shit then. We are going to accomodate an entire new playoff system for Boston College? Like they are going to sniff a playoff...lmao.

its not just BC.

of the 67 or so BCS football teams, perhaps 20 schools have a sufficiently large enough and spendy enough alumni base to justify more than one post season travel game trip a year

UConn is a public university with a huge alumni base. the state of CT was on the hook for almost $2,000,000 because of empty seats at the fucking Fiesta Bowl