The Goat Pen

aTm wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:49 pm All three of the governments involved in your post...Ukraine, Russia, and the United States are corrupt, so I'm not sure why it matters. Yes, you'd have to be a dunce to think that the Ukraine govt is less corrupt than ours, but Russia's is worse than theirs. I dont see it as a factor at all in who to support. "But Ukraine is corrupt!" is a right wing red herring.

Jungle Rat wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 1:22 pm The secret service vehemently denies what Cassidy Hutcherson said but ya ask em to prove it and it's, oops? We accidentally purged them. But we're telling the truth!

hedge wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 1:48 pm I hope Ukraine invades Russia. That would be awesome...

Jungle Rat wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 1:00 pm IB. The government doesn't have time to constantly be looking into crackpot theories from you and your ilk. Unfortunately there are a few million of ya little knats.

• one 43 year old Ukrainian born congresswoman
• on March 1st she cried in congress saying we needed to support Ukraine with all we had, begged for every dollar
• she visits 6 times
• now she is like, welllllll, maybe we should not be helping Ukraine?
• and "anonymous" GOP congressmen are telling her to shut the fuck up

innocentbystander wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:23 pm

hedge wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 1:48 pm I hope Ukraine invades Russia. That would be awesome...

It would be awesome! You sir are correct. Sadly, it is mathematically impossible. Japan would have had an easier time invading California in Jan of 1942 than Ukraine would, invading Russia.

hedge wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 4:32 pm I thought Japan routinely used to kick China's ass back in the day...

innocentbystander wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 6:23 pm

hedge wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 4:32 pm I thought Japan routinely used to kick China's ass back in the day...

Japan (without any secured ground position) just landed on the beaches (D-Day style) and attacked Manchuria in 1931 (if I remember correctly.) Officially, I think Japan and China were at war in 1937 (and stayed at war another 8 years) but Chinese were dying for 14 full years. Japan basically took the entire East coast of China. And held much of it until the United States started helping the Chinese. That is mostly because the British were of no fucking use.

We all know that Singapore fell because the British general in charge was a fucking idiot. He surrendered his army of some 65,000 (many from India as well as Australia) garrisoned there to Japan's attacking force of 30,000. Japan used bicycles to transport that army through fields of rubber tree plants. They were completely outnumbered and outgunned by His Majesty's army and (well) Japan still took Singapore. That was that. That was after they sunk the HMS Repulse and the HMS Prince of Wales for good measure. Hong Kong fell like nothing.

When the HMS Prince of Wales went down on Dec 8th, the allies had all of 3 functional "capital ships" in the entire of the Pacific Ocean to engage the Japanese, USS Hornet, USS Yorktown, and USS Enterprise. That was it. The surviving battleships were limping (crawling) back to San Francisco to be repaired. That was all we had for a fighter screen to prevent an invasion of California. Without Capital ships, the entire Continent of Australia was in immediate and legitimate, jeopardy.

As far as a West Coast invasion goes, the Japs took the Aleutians but that didn't give them much of anything that they could use. If the Japanese had taken Midway (instead of losing all 4 of their heavy carriers, thank you code breakers) then from that position, they were within legitimate striking distance of California, Oregon, and lower Washington State. I think such an invasion was probably unthinkable for the Japanese UNLESS Hitler had succeeded in ending the entirety of the His Majesty's Royal Navy and they had their eyes set on Washington. A two-prong attack or no attack. But that East Coast Blitz was never going to happen until Sealion happened first. And that never happened.

DooKSucks wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 8:31 pm

innocentbystander wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 6:23 pm

hedge wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 4:32 pm I thought Japan routinely used to kick China's ass back in the day...

Japan (without any secured ground position) just landed on the beaches (D-Day style) and attacked Manchuria in 1931 (if I remember correctly.) Officially, I think Japan and China were at war in 1937 (and stayed at war another 8 years) but Chinese were dying for 14 full years. Japan basically took the entire East coast of China. And held much of it until the United States started helping the Chinese. That is mostly because the British were of no fucking use.

We all know that Singapore fell because the British general in charge was a fucking idiot. He surrendered his army of some 65,000 (many from India as well as Australia) garrisoned there to Japan's attacking force of 30,000. Japan used bicycles to transport that army through fields of rubber tree plants. They were completely outnumbered and outgunned by His Majesty's army and (well) Japan still took Singapore. That was that. That was after they sunk the HMS Repulse and the HMS Prince of Wales for good measure. Hong Kong fell like nothing.

When the HMS Prince of Wales went down on Dec 8th, the allies had all of 3 functional "capital ships" in the entire of the Pacific Ocean to engage the Japanese, USS Hornet, USS Yorktown, and USS Enterprise. That was it. The surviving battleships were limping (crawling) back to San Francisco to be repaired. That was all we had for a fighter screen to prevent an invasion of California. Without Capital ships, the entire Continent of Australia was in immediate and legitimate, jeopardy.

As far as a West Coast invasion goes, the Japs took the Aleutians but that didn't give them much of anything that they could use. If the Japanese had taken Midway (instead of losing all 4 of their heavy carriers, thank you code breakers) then from that position, they were within legitimate striking distance of California, Oregon, and lower Washington State. I think such an invasion was probably unthinkable for the Japanese UNLESS Hitler had succeeded in ending the entirety of the His Majesty's Royal Navy and they had their eyes set on Washington. A two-prong attack or no attack. But that East Coast Blitz was never going to happen until Sealion happened first. And that never happened.

If anyone cares to take a wild guess as to whether or not this dufus is missing important facts or has something wrong, let me save you the time: he is indeed missing important facts.