The Goat Pen

aTm wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 12:31 pm Im curious if you would consider it to be criminal to create a strategy where you claim that Russians hacked an election and then spend the next 4 years falsely attempting to link campaign and government officials to Russia, including using government surveilance apparatus to start this plan by spying on the candidate before the election had even occured?

eCat wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 12:59 pm

hedge wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 11:54 am "what was planned for months? claiming that voting machines were invalid? That's the big coup attempt?"

Trying to seize voting machines, which nobody wanted to touch (DoD, Dept. of Homeland Security, etc, he tried them all, the only surprising thing being that you're not complaining about how the "deep state" was thwarting the will of the president), explicitly begging the Georgia Sec. of State to "find me 13,852 votes (and exact number that was one more than what he lost by), using the office of the President to mislead and lie about the election being stolen and thus undermining public trust in the idea of the election process itself, getting fake "electors" to submit bogus electoral college votes as if they were the real ones (many such fake electoral ballots were submitted, and hopefully the people who signed their names to them will be going to prison very soon), and, what I think is going to end up being the case, telling leaders of domestic terrorist organizations like the Proud Boys and the 2%'ers (or whatever the fuck their name is) that he was going to deputize them as federal "security" on Jan. 6th., thus giving the Presidential stamp of approval to their terrorist, treasonous activity.

The guy threw so much shit on the wall it's very difficult to keep up with it all, and outright impossible to keep up with it if you don't even really care, which you don't seem to care that he consciously and deliberately attempted to overturn a legal election just so his fat crybaby ass wouldn't have to leave the White House, only that the attempt failed. I doubt you'd be so sanguine if somebody tried to rob your house or worse but just didn't "get away with it." Attempted murder and conspiracy to commit just about any crime carries virtually the same penalties as actually doing it...

but his basis for his belief and the belief of his followers was tied to something that had not happened before in the history of politics. A sitting president received more votes than he did in his prior election and still lost. I told you well before Jan 6th ever happened that if that issue wasn't addressed in a satisfactory manner then it would never be put to rest and you had basically a subset of 80m voters who believed there was election fraud.

You continually dismiss those people as hicks and rubes but the bigger issue is regardless of what they are , they are still American citizens who believe that there was election irregularities and they have 4 years of watching the Democrats say the 2016 election was rigged by the Russians. The seed for election corruption was planted by the Democrats, not Trump, and then Joe Biden gets more votes than Obama, who by all accounts had a record turn out in voting, while Biden couldn't even fill up a venue of voters at one of his events.

I'm not sanguine about it, I just don't believe this was an insurrection or coup by any definition, and the same people that tried to impeach Trump are the ones speaking in hyperbole every chance they get about what happened on the 6th.

The country has been conditioned to believe that democrats will say and do whatever they can in an effort to punish Trump. We saw it here daily for years.

aTm wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 12:31 pm Im curious if you would consider it to be criminal to create a strategy where you claim that Russians hacked an election and then spend the next 4 years falsely attempting to link campaign and government officials to Russia, including using government surveilance apparatus to start this plan by spying on the candidate before the election had even occured?

Jungle Rat wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 12:59 pm

aTm wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 12:31 pm Im curious if you would consider it to be criminal to create a strategy where you claim that Russians hacked an election and then spend the next 4 years falsely attempting to link campaign and government officials to Russia, including using government surveilance apparatus to start this plan by spying on the candidate before the election had even occured?

I'll bet ya it's still out there somewhere. Russia was crushed when their puppet lost. Absolutely devastated.

hedge wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 2:45 pm "not to mention multiple attempts to impeach a duly elected official in an effort to derail his agenda based on this false premise"

That is not why he was impeached twice (not attempted, he was impeached). Are you suggesting that Congress doesn't have the power to impeach?

hedge wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 2:41 pm

aTm wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 12:31 pm Im curious if you would consider it to be criminal to create a strategy where you claim that Russians hacked an election and then spend the next 4 years falsely attempting to link campaign and government officials to Russia, including using government surveilance apparatus to start this plan by spying on the candidate before the election had even occured?

Yes. If that ever happened, I would hope whoever perpetrated it would be prosecuted. I assume you're referring to people within Hilary's campaign, and perhaps even Clinton herself. You'd think if that had occurred as you laid it out (and of course as Trump has never stopped saying since before Day 1 of his presidency) that he would use every resource at his disposal to do just that (while also having both houses of Congress on his side). Strangely, the only thing that's come of this accusations, after 6 years, is this lame ass Durham investigation, which so far has only managed to procure one prosecution and zero indictments. But don't worry, if the repubs regain the House in November, I'm sure we'll be treated to Benghazi-like hearings for the next 2 years...

Jungle Rat wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 3:15 pm He ain't bought anything yet dumbass. My guess still is that he won't. He'll stir up shit and the check will never clear. But even if it does it has no effect on me. Funny how these crazy Democrats find love from the Republican party after rejection. Trump, Musk...