The Goat Pen

So everything is just peachy between the english department and the AD. Riiiiight and all those coaches that run away from their opportunity are just making it up, just like matthews and hubbs have to be making it up. Charlie strong is just a liar and academics had nothing to do with him passing on the job most everyone thought he would jump at. Its only coincidence that he ran away after he met with Cheek.

Look I get that you want to believe I made this stuff up but I have provided the links and quotes to prove I didn't (which I shouldn't have had to do since I have never made anything up on here but anyway ) to believe I made this up and to believe that it is not a problem you would have to believe that brent hubs just provided that quote about strong just to help me out since we are such good buddies and all these coaches that run away just really don't want to play in the sec.

Lots and lots of smoke about this coming from different sources. It may not be as bad as people think it is, but there must be something going on or it wouldn't be so hard to get a coach willing to come here for a sack full of money like we are offering. There is something that scares them away. Maybe it's not even as bad as they think it is, but if that is the case then they need some PR and change that perception because right now it appears the perception in the college coaching fraternity is that coaches at UT do not have the support of the academic side of the university.

So here it is in a nutshell from another poster and then Hubbs himself gets on and agrees with the exception of he isn't willing to name names.

"It revolves around 1) the control of the Thornton Center; 2) Admission Standards; and 3) The available degree programs/curriculum and the commitment from Academia to support help FB players with legit tutoring, close communication with the coaching staff and VFL coordinator, etc.


Unfortunately, while concessions have been made, control of the Thornton Center looks like it will remain with Academia. That WAS NOT why it was built, and as it stands now (since 2003, really), FB players ARE NOT supported with respect to getting legitimate tutor help, professor help, etc. Rather, it's the polar opposite, as in professors will go out of their way to make it as hard as possible on students who play FB for UT.

It's a culture that has evolved over a 10-year period, and when the AD let go of control w/respect to that Center, it really lost it's luster w/respect to being a recruiting advantage. It actually has turned into a major recruiting disadvantage. I'm not defending Dooley or even Kiffin, but NO coach could succeed at UT if things remain like they have been for a decade. It leads to FB players overly worried about being able to stay in school, which hurts their production in every phase of their lives.

As Brent or Doug has stated, NOT ONE COACH is allowed to call a professor just to ASK how a player is doing in class, who might need legit help, etc. Again, while it sounds like Cheek has gotten some of the message, you still have Miller, Andrews, and maybe a dozen or so more who are not leaving UT (at least not right now), and as long as that's the case, I don't see how a coach, who sees and understands the academic hurdles UT has put in place to make sure the FB program suffers and ultimately fails, would agree to come to UT. Has nothing to do with money at all. It is about control, but not anything that's outlandish.

Just a level playing field...as even as say, Vanderbilt. Ironic that James Franklin has gotten major concessions in this same type of area from Vandy, of all places, allowing them to succeed...while UT has gone in the absolute opposite direction...ensuring FB can't succeed. Such a cluster fvck. I really hoped this would all be fixed. Maybe Brent knows more on the issue, but fwiw, it's my impression that this internal struggle goes on and that it is a big enough issue to cause ANY SMART, GOOD COACH to say "No". And that is very sad.

P.S. This has nothing to do with making excuses for Fulmer or any other coach. It started while he was coach, but has become much, much worse since he left. I don't attribute Fulmer's demise to this problem at all, but he could see it evolving into a potential huge problem, as he did see some 15+ degree programs eliminated or scheduled for elimination that were used mostly by FB players and other athletes. Franklin got 6 programs STARTED at Vandy for Football players in just the past 18 months."

Then Hubbs :"I don't know about what you mean when you are talking about Miller and Andrews, but otherwise I see alot of truth in that post from what I'm told."

They go on to say in that thread that as far as athletes go, not general admissions but athletes alone UT has the highest admission standards in the SEC including Vandy (as you can see above Franklin got them to lower their standards for athletes and then add athlete majors and Hubbs is agreeing with that).

Nobody is asking for false grades, cheating or anything like that. Just cooperation between the Academic side and the Athletic side. Allow coaches to check up on students, turn control of the Thorton Center over to the AD, have tutors available whenver needed and have professors reach out to coaches when a student doesn't show up for class or is in need of a tutor. Strong supposedly spend most of his time reviewing the academic issues and his conclusion is we aren't willing to play with the big boys any more and that Louisville was much more comitted to supporting his players than Tennessee is and he didn't take the job.

Link to the above thread just in case Tick thinks I am making up this discussion as well.

http://tennessee.rivals.com/showmsg.asp ... 79&style=2

Poll: Are you confident in athletic director Dave Hart's ability to land a quality coach?

Here is a poll at GoVols.com asking how you feel Hart is doing. Check out the results. It's pretty onesided. I won't say what I voted. Everyone just guess.

Poll: Should Tennessee consider re-hiring Phillip Fulmer?

Here is another poll about whether we should consider hiring Fulmer, again at Golvols.com. Interesting result. Again, I won't mention what my vote is. Take a wild guess.

There was an ad on Craig's list for a UT coaching job. Yes, we are officially a joke.

goVols.com is saying Butch Jones is in the lead to take UT's coaching job now.

Considering how we can't get hardly anyone to think about UT, is Jones going to bring in a new staff? I mean hell, if we are scraping the bottom of multiple barrels to get a HC then how the hell are we going to get a new HC a staff?!?!

Friends. Ladies. Children. Sheep. We are fucked. Fucked bad. Fucked for a long time to come.

Orlando Sentinel July 19,2012 - AP Wirestory

Florida Gator signee Dante 'Omari' Phillips, denied admission by the UF academic council, has told sources that he is enrolling at the University of Tennessee

BOJ - that right there was an example of a news story. Real news. About a FB player who couldn't cut it academically at UF yet who got fasttracked into UT.

You are so full of shit and your links to other internet threads don't work. Please stop.

That Craigs list ad has been there since yesterday.

bluetick wrote:Orlando Sentinel July 19,2012 - AP Wirestory

Florida Gator signee Dante 'Omari' Phillips, denied admission by the UF academic council, has told sources that he is enrolling at the University of Tennessee

BOJ - that right there was an example of a news story. Real news. About a FB player who couldn't cut it academically at UF yet who got fasttracked into UT.

You are so full of shit and your links to other internet threads don't work. Please stop.

It does work. You are calling Brent Hubbs FOS because that is where it came from. I don't know what you do but I don't make up things. That was a direct quote and the links DO work. You may have to be a member to see it but they give away a free trial, just sign up if you want to.

As far as the UF thing goes, Brent already debunked that. Florida OVERSIGNED, they could get him in, they got others in with worse academic standing, they just didn't use their exceptions on him and did a PC thing saying it was admissions. Brent Hubbs confirmed that he was in if the coaches wanted him in.

We are not talking about general admission standards, we are talking about athletic admission standards. He qualified for UF but they oversigned and used thier regular admission standards on him to get out of the comittment.

Again tell me exactly how you know these things aren't true when we have Matthews, Hubbs, Hyams etc saying they are true? Are you on the BOT or something? Where are you getting your info or is it that you just don't want to admit it?

I just bumped the thread for you so you can at least see the title without a membership it's titled "BRENT- WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THIS" and the origional statement as well as Brent's answer is quoted above.

I mean seriously do you honestly believe that I just made that up? Good grief you should know better, maybe some people just make stuff up and lie but I don't and I even provided links for you because you act this way.

Heck just look at the sentence structure and spelling, you should be able to tell it didn't come from me even if you did think I would do something like that.

November 19th

Jungle Rat wrote:Gruden goes NFL, Butch Jones is your man. The history of ex Cincinnati head coaches using them as a stepping stone is growing bigger every year. Best part is, they seem to win.

Rat ain't necessarily fos this time. Jones is 50-27 with a title or share of a title 4 of his 6 coaching years. Better than Strong, that's for sure.

He just turned down a big offer from CO. If he wants us, I says sign him up.

Hyams has NEVER said academics holds back the football program, and neither has Hubbs. Hubbs never debunked anything about Omari Phillips. Your "links" are bs. You need help (step one - don't listen to Doug Matthews).

bluetick wrote:Rat ain't necessarily fos this time. Jones is 50-27 with a title or share of a title 4 of his 6 coaching years. Better than Strong, that's for sure.

He just turned down a big offer from CO. If he wants us, I says sign him up.

Better grab him. At this rate, we probably won't be able to land Bugs Bunny.

bluetick wrote:Rat ain't necessarily fos this time. Jones is 50-27 with a title or share of a title 4 of his 6 coaching years. Better than Strong, that's for sure.

He just turned down a big offer from CO. If he wants us, I says sign him up.

It's the only job he'll take this year. Wisky maybe but that offense would have to be completely flipped over.

FYI. Last year he turned down UCLA.

Tick, the above quote was DIRECTLY FROM HUBBS, word for freakin word he was agreeing with the other poster.

Yes absolutely 100% HUBBS said that UF could have got Phillips in if they wanted him but they oversigned and let him go but in reality he qualified for UF as an athlete.

The links work and it's 100% word for word direct quotes.

You can sign up for the free access if you want. The links work just fine (seems like you said the link didn't work before and then all of a sudden ignored what it said and just said "that's not the main point of the article". That was a link you claimed didn't work but all of a sudden you could read it.

If you wanted to read the above links you could. You want to stick your fingers in your ears and say "I don't believe you nanna nanna boo booo."

I have never, ever made anything and if you really wanted to read the links you could. You are just afraid of what the link says.

But the above is a direct quote, straight from hubbs and it outlines our problems.

Big Orange Junky wrote:Link to the above thread just in case Tick thinks I am making up this discussion as well.

http://tennessee.rivals.com/showmsg.asp ... 79&style=2

LMAO

4 topics: Butch Jones, Woody Womack, the War Room, and Forum Guidelines. You are a piece of work.

bluetick wrote:Hyams has NEVER said academics holds back the football program, and neither has Hubbs. Hubbs never debunked anything about Omari Phillips. Your "links" are bs. You need help (step one - don't listen to Doug Matthews).

Yes, Hubbs even said as quoted above that one of the reasons Strong turned down Tennessee was the academic side. Sorry but he said it, not me. Unless you are saying Hubbs is just making stuff up and is BS.

Of course if you wait long enough you might be able to make sure the link doesn't work. After all we are dealing with volquest here, the site that has so much traffic that they delete anything that falls past page 4 (which is why I have bumped the link above to keep it from falling off just for you to have time to complete the free trial offer and read it.).......Of course if you did that the other day you should still be able to read the links above so......

I will have to look to see if the comments about Strong turning us down because of academics is still close enough to bump, but right now I just bumped the discussion where he said the academic issues were true to the top of the page so it's still there.....all you have to do is look.

But you wont.

bluetick wrote:

Big Orange Junky wrote:Link to the above thread just in case Tick thinks I am making up this discussion as well.

http://tennessee.rivals.com/showmsg.asp ... 79&style=2

LMAO

4 topics: Butch Jones, Woody Womack, the War Room, and Forum Guidelines. You are a piece of work.

Now I think you are the one that is just making stuff up.

But just for you I bumped the discusion to the top of the page, the one that I quoted above. Go into The Generals Quarters, it's the one that says "Brent-will you agree with this"