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Posted: **Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:09 am**

AlabamAlum wrote:You've really become an Argue-asaurus Rex, haven't you, Tick? First, arguing politics and now ignoring BoJ's correct summation of the English Department in Knoxvegas calling the shots...

At least I'm willing to roll up my sleeves and do what's necessary to help the lad. He's no longer a birther, and I take credit for that.

that was...a tough one

Posted: **Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:41 pm**

Gruden is signed & sealed. 6 years $40 million. Congrats. Never believed it would happen.

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare

Posted: **Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:23 pm**

Oh boy...

Philadelphia report says Eagles keen to hire Gruden

My gut says he is going back to coaching. But, it is in the NFL which basically all the rumours on the Internet are saying. Outside of a handful of orange colored Kool-Aid drinking radio BS artists who are increasing listeners to drive up ad revenue with their "insider" knowledge, nobody is saying he is comming to UT.

Gruden coaching in college makes no sense. His wife and her family are from Knoxville? He was a grad assistant here? He has ties here? Pleeeaaaasssssseeeee.... He has had multiple chances to come back here, whether it was because he wanted to or perhaps because of a large payday or a combo of the two, and he didn't jump. The guy is making money out the @ss at ESPN and now he is suddenly going to drop everything and coach at 'ol rocky top when he turned it down multiple times in the past? We have to many wishful thinkers surrounding the program whose thoughts were unfortunately allowed to make it onto the radio talk shows and Internet as "insider" info. I got some "insider" info for these people. Let me drop my pants, give you my underwear, and you'll my "insider" info in your hands!!

Besides, why do we want this guy so @#$% bad?! Has anyone taken a really good look at his record? It's not all that great. Yeah, Gruden won a superbowl during his first season at Tampa but with somebody elses players (Tony Dungy's). After that first season in Tampa, things went downhill bad and they didn't get much better except for a season or two. Tony had several good seasons in the NFL. Even at Tampa he had good seasons as I recall, he just couldn't push the team over the hump to get them to a superbowl. Looking at Gruden's record in Tampa, it was a miracle Gruden lasted there as long as he did. If by some miracle Gruden comes here, I suspect he'll do fine for a season or two assuming all the current, seasoned players stay. Once he has to recruit and coach players up, it will be all over.

I think I've said this before and will say it again: we may regret letting Dooley go (I didn't want him gone). He was soooo close to turning it around. 'bama was the only team that really whipped us (I'm throwing Vandy out, Bray and the offense gave up). In all the other games, we were in it to win it. If we had a defense (Sal is great AA!), we would have won most of our games. I believe I've also said this before and I'll say it again: if Wilcox had not left and we had last years defense, Dooley would still be here, we would have no fewer than 8 wins, and I fully believe we woud have at least 10 wins, perhaps even 11. That's what cost Dooley his job; Wilcox leaving combined with impatient rumour mongers with their "insider" knowledge.

I hope everyone is happy because I sure don't know who in their right mind is comming here to coach. Do you all think we'll be happy with Chaney as head coach? Perhaps Fulmer will come back. Oh wait... he's on the short list for KY. Oh darn.

We better hope we get someone good in here now who can coach and get things done. If not, I have bad feeling we will be on a 15-20 year slide of barely above 50% season records while being on a coaching carousel always looking for the guy who will [finally] lead us to the SEC Championship game.

Posted: **Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:24 pm**

But hey. When it's all said and done, like everyone else, what do I know?

Posted: **Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:46 pm**

Its fun watching OF cream his shorts over every internet post. I sorta feel sorry for the kid. At least he tries. To bad his team sucks.

Posted: **Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:05 pm**

Call David Cutcliffe.

Posted: **Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:15 am**

I think they did. His response: "I will be coaching here [referring to Duke] in 2013."

Posted: **Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:15 am**

And to be perfectly honest, between his heart condition and his age, I think I prefer we get someone else.

Then again, its not like we have much of a choice...

Posted: **Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:31 am**

Toemeesleather wrote:Don't want to get involved w/the discussion here but...whoever said this doesn't know what they're talking about.

every university has those majors where you can put borderline athletes. Vanderbilt, Stanford, Georgia Tech; they all have them

No he's only a division I coach who happened to coach at UT and still has contacts within many different universitys. But hey Tick knows more about what goes on at a Div I program that a former coach.....

Posted: **Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:33 am**

OH SHIT!! LMAO!!!

Posted: **Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:34 am**

Candidates, timeline taking shape in search

From the above referenced article.

Within the Volunteer State, Tennessee also is dealing with the continued attention being generated by an historic season at Vanderbilt. The Commodores are going bowling at 8-4 and, more importantly, sources indicate are preparing to hand out a significant pay increase to both head coach James Franklin and his staff. Franklin already was making more than Tennessee's coach entering this season, and it's believed that Vanderbilt will take Franklin over $3 million this week.

That, in college football economics, drives up the price of Tennessee's next coach.

Congrats Coach Franklin. Glad we could help out.

Posted: **Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:36 am**

bluetick wrote:Tri-state Area Teams Ignored by Dooley and Staff - timesfreepress.com

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2012 ... ley-staff/

In a Times Free Press early-season poll of 37 prep coaches from southeast Tennessee, northwest Georgia and northeast Alabama, 32 gave Dooley and his staff a failing grade for recruiting rapport and overall communication and effectiveness.

"To be honest, a lot of high school coaches in the state felt like Derek came across as arrogant," Fitzgerald added. "We talked about that at coaches meetings around the state for several years, actually, It wasn't just in the Chattanooga area; it was coaches all over the state. Derek is highly intelligent, but it just came off as him proving how smart he is when he talks. He just has no people skills."

English Department!

Again just completely ignore the actual facts of the matter and just say "I don't believe it because I don't like Matthews, Hubbs, Lewis, Hyams, they are just making excuses for Fulmer......" even though that was never the case this stuff they were talking about was after Fulmer and was some of the reasons given that we had to go all the way down to Dooley after POS scumbag left.

Do you ever do anything but attack sources?

Posted: **Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:45 am**

The article mentioned above references a coach I have only heard/seen of once before, Butch Jones. I saw his name mentioned on the short list to take the job at KY during the game this last weekend.

He is currently the coach of the Cinci Bearcats. He looks fairly decent. Compared to the other people we are likely to get, or perhaps I should say not likely as the case maybe, we may want to look hard at this guy.

Having said that, I'm quite frankly worried. There is not really anyone out there worth mentioning. We seem to be fighting Arkansas of all teams for the same losers. Is Tommy Tuberville still on the list of possible candidates? We might as well dump the football program if that is all we can get.

Posted: **Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:46 am**

He's a hater BOJ. Get him!!!!

Posted: **Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:47 am**

Orangefreak wrote:The article mentioned above references a coach I have only heard/seen of once before, Butch Jones. I saw his name mentioned on the short list to take the job at KY during the game this last weekend.

He is currently the coach of the Cinci Bearcats. He looks fairly decent. Compared to the other people we are likely to get, or perhaps I should say not likely as the case maybe, we may want to look hard at this guy.

Having said that, I'm quite frankly worried. There is not really anyone out there worth mentioning. We seem to be fighting Arkansas of all teams for the same losers. Is Tommy Tuberville still on the list of possible candidates? We might as well dump the football program if that is all we can get.

Think about it OF, do you really want a coach that Dooley beat like a drum?

Posted: **Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:50 am**

Well, you do have a point to be sure. Then again, Cinci didn't really have the horses to run with us. They did pretty good the rest of their season as I recall. A heck of a lot better than us anyway.

Posted: **Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:52 am**

Jungle Rat wrote:Gruden goes NFL, Butch Jones is your man. The history of ex Cincinnati head coaches using them as a stepping stone is growing bigger every year. Best part is, they seem to win.

Posted: **Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:31 am**

Big Orange Junky wrote:
Again just completely ignore the actual facts of the matter and just say "I don't believe it because I don't like Matthews, Hubbs, Lewis, Hyams, they are just making excuses for Fulmer......" even though that was never the case this stuff they were talking about was after Fulmer and was some of the reasons given that we had to go all the way down to Dooley after POS scumbag left.

Do you ever do anything but attack sources?

LOL Matthews is the lone Fulmer apologist, and he is the lone admissions nut. He obviously touches you in a special way.

Posted: **Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:30 am**

Orangefreak wrote:
Besides, why do we want this guy so @#$% bad?! Has anyone taken a really good look at his record? It's not all that great. Yeah, Gruden won a superbowl during his first season at Tampa but with somebody elses players (Tony Dungy's).

Funny thing about that - do you remember who Gruden's opponent was in that SB? The Oakland Raiders...who Gruden left to take the Tampa job. He actually had the shorter stick talent-wise yet he beat the team he built up (coached by Bill Callahan, nuff said).

Look, football-wise he's a rock star in every sense of the word and would blow the lid off this place if he graced us by taking the job. Will it happen? Probably not, but at least we gave it the ol' college try. Will the big money people regroup and load up the vault for somebody else of similar stature? The hope is yes.

Posted: **Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:20 pm**

bluetick wrote:Funny thing about that - do you remember who Gruden's opponent was in that SB? The Oakland Raiders...who Gruden left to take the Tampa job. He actually had the shorter stick talent-wise yet he beat the team he built up (coached by Bill Callahan, nuff said).

I did remember the opponent actually. Tampa beat da Raydahs in a fairly lopsided victory as I recall. I recalled Gruden's record at Tampa off the top of my head but had to check his stats out while he was with da Raydahs. He seemed to actually be a better coach at Oakland. At any rate, it appears practically everyone credits his early success at Tampa in large part to the defense Dungy built up while he was there. I guess you also have to give props to the defensive coordinator as well. What was his name... something Kiffin or another... the guy enjoyed putting on the full Monte.... eh, oh well....

bluetick wrote:Look, football-wise he's a rock star in every sense of the word and would blow the lid off this place if he graced us by taking the job. Will it happen? Probably not, but at least we gave it the ol' college try. Will the big money people regroup and load up the vault for somebody else of similar stature? The hope is yes.

I agree 100%. He is a rock star in every sense of the word. I'm just a bit concerned he is a bit of a one-hit wonder of todays era versus a solid Rolling Stone group who keep producing and producing and producing. Considering how much money we appear to possibly want to pay Gruden, I hope he is the Rolling Stones type if you catch my drift. With as few choices as there appears to be for quality coaches right now, I am particularly worried and am ultimately concerned UT is at a crossroads where a decision we make now, good or bad, will last a long time. Let it be a good one.

At any rate, reports are Jimbo Fisher and Bob Stoops have both indicated they have no interest in the UT job. Talk about few choices...

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