Ostensibly Hoops

[Tree]

Maybe not in the room at the time but bet you he dropped envelopes in a few pockets on the way out the door.

[aTm]

North Carolina will be fine. The ACC may as well be the MWC. UNC will finish second or third in it and the metrics for the non conference are good enough, unlike most of the rest of the league

It's amazing how correct and yet staggeringly wrong this post was.

[innocentbystander]

The ACC used to be the best men’s hoops conference in the country. Problem is, the enrollment numbers and the alumni numbers at ACC schools pale in comparison to B1G and SEC schools. So the NIL donations from the alumni to the super athletes will also pale in comparison. It’s just basic math.

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From IC:

So the once-mighty ACC landed as a four-bid league this season, with UNC joining Duke, Clemson and Louisville in the bracket. Carolina finished 13-7 in ACC play, while at-large teams from the SEC such as Georgia, Arkansas, Vanderbilt and Oklahoma were placed in the NCAA Tournament field with losing conference records — further underscoring the ACC's issues. Oklahoma went 6-12 in SEC league play...

Carolina certainly didn't lack for high-profile matchups against some of college basketball's best. But from Kansas' Allen Fieldhouse and the loaded Maui Invitational in November, to road games at Louisville and Pittsburgh in January, to Duke's Cameron Indoor Stadium in February and the now-completed ACC Tournament of the last week, these Tar Heels weren't able to cash in on a laundry list of profitable opportunities. In December, UNC led Florida, another eventual No. 1 seed in the NCAA bracket, by four points in the game's closing four minutes and 82-79 with 2½ minutes to go, before falling short...

Ultimately, UNC's glaring 1-12 record in Quad 1 games in the NET rankings didn't prove to be an albatross. The Tar Heels' non-conference strength of schedule registered as elite, the seventh-most challenging slate in college basketball, per Ken Pomeroy's database. No major-conference team in the country played a more difficult schedule during the non-league portion of the season. But UNC defeated only one team (UCLA) that cracked the NCAA bracket on Sunday as an at-league choice...

Carolina played eight games this season against opponents ranked among the top 10 in the AP Top 25 poll. And the Tar Heels squared off against five teams — Duke, Auburn, Florida, Alabama and Michigan State — who were projected to earn lofty NCAA Tournament seed assignments either on the No. 1 or No. 2 lines in the 68-team bracket. But none of those high-profile matchups produced victories for UNC...

The selection committee uses a number of metrics and rankings systems when sorting and evaluating teams for NCAA Tournament inclusion. Those criteria include wins against the bubble, the Kevin Pauga Index (KPI), strength of record, the Pomeroy rankings (KenPom), the Bart Torvik rankings, the Basketball Power Index (BPI), and most notably, the NET rankings, which separate a team's results into easily digestible — and perhaps oversimplified, some might argue — quadrants for measuring the value of victories and losses.

Beyond those many Quad 1 missed opportunities, Carolina's other metrics suggested a solid-enough résumé for a team worthy of receiving an at-large berth. On Sunday, the Tar Heels checked in at No. 36 in the NET, No. 33 in KenPom, No. 25 in BPI, No. 36 in Torvik, No. 54 in KPI, No. 38 in strength of record and No. 37 in wins against the bubble.

Previously, only four teams who ranked among the top 36 in the NET on Selection Sunday had missed out on making the NCAA field — 2019 NC State (No. 33 in the NET), 2019 Clemson (No. 35), 2024 Indiana State (No. 29) and 2024 St. John's (No. 32).

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Bubba Cunningham assures no bias as UNC beat out Indiana, Ohio State for final NCAA Tournament spot

https://247sports.com/college/north-car ... 247161137/

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UNC ranked No. 36 in the NET, No. 33 in KenPom and No. 41 in WAB, better in each metric than the First Four Out: West Virginia (51, 53, 43), Indiana (54. 48, 50), Ohio State (41, 39, 57) and Boise State (43, 44, 53). Only four teams ranked among the top 36 of the NET on Selection Sunday have missed the NCAA Tournament. However, the Tar Heels has a worse quad record than each of the four teams at 1-12. West Virginia went 6-10 against Q1 opponents, while Indiana (4-13), Ohio State (6-11) and Boise State (3-6) all had better marks against top competition. Just 27 of the 111 major brackets on Bracket Matrix had UNC making the field.

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North Carolina was placed in Dayton by the NCAA Tournament committee on Sunday as a First Four team. According to Keith Gill, the vice chair of this year's selection committee, UAB's loss made all the difference.

"Saturday night, we took our final vote, and we voted in four teams in the field on Saturday night, and we had a contingency vote," Gill said on Sunday's selection show on CBS. "And the contingency vote, that was the last team in the field, and it was based on Memphis and UAB. If Memphis won that game, then that was going to free up the spot in the tournament, and that was going to be North Carolina. If UAB had won, then Memphis was going to be in the tournament, UAB would have been in the tournament and North Carolina would have been the first team out.

"And so that process played out today. Memphis won, and that put North Carolina in the field."

[aTm]

That is astonishing that the NCAA let a dude be the chairman of the committee who has his personal bank account riding on the results. That is amazingly embarassing.

I mean, everyone knows it is generally a conflict of interest that the committee represents schools and conferences and they fight it with "he's not allowed to be in the room" or whatever, but you absolutely cannot have the chairman of the committee personally having contract clauses for significant personal payments that depend on the outcome of his chairmanship. I'm sure everybody waives their rights and agrees to be possibly fucked up the asshole to be a member of the NCAA, but that is certainly some lawsuit worthy facts for other schools and other conferences

[DooKSucks]

That is astonishing that the NCAA let a dude be the chairman of the committee who has his personal bank account riding on the results. That is amazingly embarassing.

I mean, everyone knows it is generally a conflict of interest that the committee represents schools and conferences and they fight it with "he's not allowed to be in the room" or whatever, but you absolutely cannot have the chairman of the committee personally having contract clauses for significant personal payments that depend on the outcome of his chairmanship. I'm sure everybody waives their rights and agrees to be possibly fucked up the asshole to be a member of the NCAA, but that is certainly some lawsuit worthy facts for other schools and other conferences

See: Butters, Tom - Former Dook AD

[eCat]

the problem is they establish this quad system as a metric to determine whether a team has earned it

whats the point of having the quad system if someone like Bubba Cunningham can do whatever he wants

Seriously, UNC needs to fire him. They won't because at their heart, UNC is who we thought they always were and integrity is not part of that discussion.

[innocentbystander]

It would be better if we had some computer algorithm created by a 25 year old computer scientist working for DOGE create the bracket using entirely objective mathematical measurements instead of a show of hands and a vote. But human beings who need jobs and authority are scared shitless of seeing their earning power go to zero as an electronic brain can be proven to do their job better, without bias, and unemotionally.

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I suspect the committee was picked awhile ago. Supposedly any member of the committee, including the chair, has to leave the room if his school's team is up for discussion...

[eCat]

actually I've said for years we need a computer algorithm that gives each team a ranking from 1 to 364, its starts on day 1 and eliminate this need for selection sunday bullshit. The only thing that needs to be decided is who plays where.

I think it would be more exciting anyways - imagine you have a rating of 67 and you're playing a team with a rating of 35 , and you know if you win its determines you go to the tourney or - you're rated 105 and the rivalry team you are playing is rated 62 and you can ruin their season if you win.

fuck all these Bubba Cunninghams who won't let them in on merit

[DooKSucks]

The committee uses seven metrics. Carolina had the best rating of the bubble teams in six of those metrics with Q1 wins being the one in which Carolina struggled….

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"the problem is they establish this quad system as a metric to determine whether a team has earned it

whats the point of having the quad system if someone like Bubba Cunningham can do whatever he wants"

Quad system is just one metric amongst many. Teams with only one Quad 1 win have gotten into the tourny before, including this year (Xavier)...

[eCat]

and I am sure Kentucky has benefitted from this in the past - just like our preseason rankings where on name alone they were ranked top 10 and it turns out they weren't even the 25th best team in the nation.

[eCat]

The committee uses seven metrics. Carolina had the best rating of the bubble teams in six of those metrics with Q1 wins being the one in which Carolina struggled….

you really want to die on this hill of Carolina deserving to be in?

I think that's the difference between UK and UNC fans.

We'd be pissed that we got in even though we clearly didn't earn it, because that justifies the program gets to keep doing the same thing again without any accountability.

[eCat]

"the problem is they establish this quad system as a metric to determine whether a team has earned it

whats the point of having the quad system if someone like Bubba Cunningham can do whatever he wants"

Quad system is just one metric amongst many. Teams with only one Quad 1 win have gotten into the tourny before, including this year (Xavier)...

fair enough, tell me you think Carolina deserves to be in the tournament without qualifiers, and I'll drop it.

[aTm]

It's annoying (but not surprising since its a stupid "by committee approach" which has no hope of actually producing a consistent result) how every year they just talk out of both sides of their mouth depending on which teams they picked.

They are claiming that West Virginia is getting left out because of an injury, but they played almost the whole year without that guy. But then they have Iowa State as a #3 seed like giving them credit for "being healthy now." Iowa State's resume is not as good in virtually every respect than #4 seed A&M (and others). But Iowa State "woulda done better" I guess. "Oh, wait, whats that? A&M played 9 games without starters including many without its all-SEC point guard? Never heard about it....Ahhh, fuck it, who cares. Also, fuck West Virginia, I need my check for $100k."

Then of course, after all of that and the whole field is announced Oetzelberger and Iowa State are like, "Oh by the way, uh, one of our starters is out for the rest of the year."