The Goat Pen

Legit point.

depends on whether I thought I'd get a latino and a few blue collar white jurors

It's Florida.

Jungle Rat wrote:It's Florida.

exactly

*elderly* blue collar jurors

I was focusing more on the latino part.

Jungle Rat wrote:I was focusing more on the latino part.

yea but lets be honest, if you are wanting to stack the jury in a racially motivated case, then you're going to want a bunch of old white guys from Jersey

That would go for most states I think.

Jungle Rat wrote:That would go for most states I think.

true, plus you know they ain't listening to a word a woman prosecutor has to say anyways. They'll just lean back in the juror chair cupping their balls and give her the duck lip face.

Exactly

link article from today re Motion to Dismiss arguments in the Dooley case:

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/cri ... 224750.ece

you'll see an exact repeat of this in the Zimmerman case, likely with same result (whatever that may be).

stepping back from the tragedy of these two cases, they would make appropriate law school exam questions. (Spacer?)

eCat wrote:

Jungle Rat wrote:That would go for most states I think.

true, plus you know they ain't listening to a word a woman prosecutor has to say anyways. They'll just lean back in the juror chair cupping their balls and give her the duck lip face.

Post of the day. Hilarious.

Gator by God's Grace wrote:link article from today re Motion to Dismiss arguments in the Dooley case:

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/cri ... 224750.ece

you'll see an exact repeat of this in the Zimmerman case, likely with same result (whatever that may be).

stepping back from the tragedy of these two cases, they would make appropriate law school exam questions. (Spacer?)

As I tell my students all the time. The facts matter. Don't argue whether it is the right policy, what about this case? Need more facts about the Zimmerman case and I haven't read enough about the Dooley case. It's possible that they are different based on the facts. (That would make these excellent law school questions as a result).

One of the things we may find out about this is the difference in our society between Cuban and other Latino. They are quite different in politics and beliefs. So when stacking a jury, one better recognize that difference. If I were looking to prosecute Zimmerman, I'd put as many Mexican-American, Central Americans and African-American jurors on the case as well as mothers of teens.

Still, despite what Dershowitz says, we really don't know about whether really are grass stains, bloody noses, the timeline on the phone, the location of the automobile relative to the shooting, the pathway of Martin and Zimmerman, where were the parties when they were shot, etc.

One of the problems in this case is that many automatically dislike the fact that Sharpton and Jackson are involved. So they run off looking for some Black person who did the same thing and confuse what the uproar was about. The uproar was about the fact that it appeared that the police did not do an adequate investigation and just made an assumption. The family and all (most) others simply sought an arrest and a true investigation. It's a shooting, arrest the guy, take his clothes, take pictures of the him and the crime scene, etc. Some of that may have been done. Now, we will find out.

Owlman wrote:One of the problems in this case is that many automatically dislike the fact that Sharpton and Jackson are involved. So they run off looking for some Black person who did the same thing and confuse what the uproar was about. The uproar was about the fact that it appeared that the police did not do an adequate investigation and just made an assumption. The family and all (most) others simply sought an arrest and a true investigation. It's a shooting, arrest the guy, take his clothes, take pictures of the him and the crime scene, etc. Some of that may have been done. Now, we will find out.

the Dooley case is in my backyard and I've followed it for over a year. no idea if anyone out there has "run off looking for a black person who's done the same thing." probably not.

I'm not looking at it from a racial standpoint. I just get a sick feeling in my stomach when I see the obvious , and its obvious this "special prosecutor" has her nipples in a twist to get her moment in the sun and the only way to do that was to arrest this guy. We may never know what happened, but its just as bad to assume that Zimmerman was the provoker here as it is to assume that Martin was a thug. As far as I know Zimmerman doesn't have a criminal record and he does have a history of community involvement. My opinion of him is superficial at best but he strikes me as a guy that wanted to do his part for his community.

I can admit that the Sanford police may or should have handled this differently, but just because they didn't take certain actions doesn't mean that their initial position isn't the right one. It's not fair to Zimmerman that because the Sanford police were inconsistent with their approach that he has to pay a price for it. I don't see a conspiracy between the Sanford police and Zimmerman or a cover up. I don't even see lazy police work. I see a story from Zimmerman with evidence that corroborates it at the time - which wasn't initially provided to the general public when the story went national. Heck, we saw NBC intentionally editing the 911 call to provide motive for Zimmerman. What I see now is a lynch mob mentality being assuaged by an elected official who only sees upside for herself in handing Zimmerman over to them.

I fully understand the rationale that says there has to be a trial but not under the current circumstances. There isn't going to be justice for Martin by attempting to railroad Zimmerman by overcharging him and either getting a plea or having the case thrown out.

1. Zimmerman had a record for assaulting a police officer about 7 years ago. I think his record was expunged 2 or 3 years ago after his probation ended without another incident. I could be wrong about the particulars of his current record, but the arrest is 100% accurate

2. He made about 46 calls to 911 over the past 2 years, for myriad reasons.

3. What price is Zimmerman paying right now? The price of arrest that should have happened initially? His price is tremendously less than the price Trayvon Martin paid. We deserve to understand exactly what happened that night and the way to do that is via this trial. I just wish it happened that night, so the chances of the totality of the story being exposed would be higher.

4. Considering Sanford's recent history of police fuckery, the firing (or maybe it was resignation) of the prior police chief before the current one and the fact that the police originally took a position that EVERY major city police official that was willing to go on record has said they would not have taken makes me not as willing to write off cover ups. After this spiraled out of control (from what I view as lazy police work...not wanting to spend the time with a true investigation, bagging evidence and filling out the extra paperwork) it makes sense to me that the police would fall into defensive posturing and holding back information that shows their lack of professional standard conduct in the investigative process.

5. Someone is handing Zimmerman over to a lynch mob? Really? Hyperbole eCat. He deserved to be arrested and now he is. This "lynch mob" you speak of would not have been here if Sanford would have arrested him like they should have done back in February.

I wasn't aware the guy had a history.

and yea, if the police had arrested him and he went to jail, even for being within the law, I'm sure there would be no mob. Its not hyperbole when Black Panthers put a bounty on him, Mike Tyson is saying he should have been shot by now,etc., When the camera is on, you don't get to pick and choose who represents each side.

police report of the incident

http://cnninsession.files.wordpress.com ... report.pdf

Yep, that's the secondary tragedy of this. That Black Panther shit is kinda lame, though. It's probably about 60 of them, in totality. I think Auburn has more football players under scholarship.

However, all the rhetoric about what should happen to Zimm (and the idiotic, reckless and dangerous Tweet from Spike Lee, esp) are ridiculous. Trayvon Martin's parents have consistently struck the right tone and tenor to this tragedy. It's a shame when people weigh in, from both sides, with stupid statements that don't help the situation in any way.

Zimmerman in Skittles

heh, ironically, I think that is the mug shot from the police assault...

In 2005, George Zimmerman was twice accused of either criminal misconduct or violence.

That July, Zimmerman — 21 at the time — was at a bar near the University of Central Florida when a friend was arrested by state alcohol agents on suspicion of serving underage drinkers, according to an arrest report.

Zimmerman was talking with his friend, became profane and pushed an agent who tried to escort him away, the report said. Authorities said he was arrested after a short struggle.

Charged with resisting arrest without violence, he avoided conviction by entering a pretrial-diversion program, something common for first-time offenders.