The Goat Pen

DooKSucks wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 7:55 am

innocentbystander wrote: ↑
Think about it tree what good does no-fault-divorce law, do for stupid people? How are stupid people (who need stable marriages more than anybody) helped by a marriage contract that is not a contract? All it does is deny marriage to stupid people. So all their children are born in illegitimacy and rot. And you wonder why they hate rich people?

What good does Speedy Cash dealers and Title Loan dealers, do for stupid people? Why hasn't AOC written legislation to stop this criminal level of usury? Every Republican would sign that bill if she created it. What good does government created lottery tickets and scratch tickets do for stupid people? All these things do is make stupid people, poorer. That's it.

So, you do realize part of contract law is that both parties are free to contract with whom they please, correct? You also realize that the constitution allows people to associate with anyone of their choosing, correct? Furthermore, there are costs to break any contract, and whether that cost is a minimum wage earner scraping the money together to rent a new place and eventually file for a simple, absolute divorce that dissolves the marriage and nothing else since they have no assets or it is a relatively well off person knowing that at least half of the wealth accumulated by means of efforts during marriage will awarded to and then belong to the other spouse (on top of possible child support / spousal support) and that one’s amount of guaranteed, unfettered access to ones child(ren) being affected.

Divorce is far from free and easy, and it isn’t cheap.

Divorce lawyers: don’t leave home without us.

DooKSucks wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 7:55 am With regards to predatory lending: in South Carolina they have had a free for all thanks to the GOP. NC’s Democrats cracked down on them in the 90’s and early 2000’s, and despite their best efforts, the GOP has not been able to roll back much of those protections because of optics/public outcry.

eCat wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 10:56 am so I am reading on twitter and a couple of reports that are suggesting that Trump and Pompeo set Biden up.

They can't decide from one minute to the next if Trump is hugely incompetent or a Dr. Evil mastermind

innocentbystander wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 10:51 am

DooKSucks wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 7:55 am

innocentbystander wrote: ↑
Think about it tree what good does no-fault-divorce law, do for stupid people? How are stupid people (who need stable marriages more than anybody) helped by a marriage contract that is not a contract? All it does is deny marriage to stupid people. So all their children are born in illegitimacy and rot. And you wonder why they hate rich people?

What good does Speedy Cash dealers and Title Loan dealers, do for stupid people? Why hasn't AOC written legislation to stop this criminal level of usury? Every Republican would sign that bill if she created it. What good does government created lottery tickets and scratch tickets do for stupid people? All these things do is make stupid people, poorer. That's it.

So, you do realize part of contract law is that both parties are free to contract with whom they please, correct? You also realize that the constitution allows people to associate with anyone of their choosing, correct? Furthermore, there are costs to break any contract, and whether that cost is a minimum wage earner scraping the money together to rent a new place and eventually file for a simple, absolute divorce that dissolves the marriage and nothing else since they have no assets or it is a relatively well off person knowing that at least half of the wealth accumulated by means of efforts during marriage will awarded to and then belong to the other spouse (on top of possible child support / spousal support) and that one’s amount of guaranteed, unfettered access to ones child(ren) being affected.

Divorce is far from free and easy, and it isn’t cheap.

Divorce lawyers: don’t leave home without us.

None of that is the point.

The point that you missed counsellor, is that because no-fault-divorce law exists now in all 50 states, poorer people generally do not get married AT ALL! Marriage has basically disappeared from significant segments of our society. Its not that I want to deny people the freedom to contract and associate with whomever they choose. It is instead that a change in marriage law (which makes it easier to get out of that contract than it is to get out of a cell phone contract) means that the marriage contacts have ceased being created. Have you read this book yet?

https://www.amazon.com/Marriage-White-P ... B004BDP002

I don't expect you will read it, but I think you might enjoy it. It goes over all the math and the details and explains why marriage has all but vanished from black culture in the United States. George Will has said over and over, we need to figure out why that is and no one is doing that. Well its obvious why that is in black America, men have stopped proposing (that is a fact) and women get paid money from government to have (and keep) children out of wedlock (also a fact.) The reason why black men have stopped proposing is obvious: you exist counsellor. You exist and are ready to "eviscerate" him (your word) the moment she is no longer haaaappppy. So men no longer have any real reason to get married. What's in it for them?

If you really want to be scared, read this book:

https://www.amazon.com/American-Dream-T ... 286&sr=8-1

This one will really fuck you up counsellor. It follows the lives of three welfare mothers through welfare reform, and DeParle reveals that none of these three women, all in their late thirties, had ever been to a wedding! Now think about that, think about how different your life would be (now that you are 37) if you had never even been to a wedding? What kind of life is that? That is their life. That is their life because we made divorce law all powerful counsellor.

You keep talking about the contract. That is good. It is a contract. But it was a binding contract back before no-fault-divorce. What do I mean by "binding?" In 1955, if a woman was unhaaaaaapppppppyyyy and didn't want to fuck her husband anymore, she could just leave. She could leave her family at any moment. But she left with the clothes on her back. No house. No alimony. No child support. No children. No nothing. She just leaved. And he keeps everything. She could go to you and you could go to a judge back in 1955 and demand all those things and you know what the judge would say to her and you? He'd say "what are his faults? Has he been committing infidelity? Has he been beating you? Does he spend his entire paycheck on booze and drugs?" And if none of those things are happening, she gets nothing. There is no "fault" here. She just wanted out. And that means, she gets nothing.

That is a marriage contract counsellor. That is what good men want, particularly the "marginal case" who is so poor he doesn't want to be ruined by a feminist woman who goes feral and doesn't want to fuck him anymore. He wants to be protected against the feral wife the minute she is no longer happy. But he had no protections. So poor men stopped proposing. That is your fault counsellor.

DooKSucks wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 7:55 am With regards to predatory lending: in South Carolina they have had a free for all thanks to the GOP. NC’s Democrats cracked down on them in the 90’s and early 2000’s, and despite their best efforts, the GOP has not been able to roll back much of those protections because of optics/public outcry.

Speedy Cash should not exist in the first place, neither should pay day/auto-title loan dealers. Do you think I would ever enter one of those buildings? We both know I'm too smart for that. These buildings exist to prey upon stupid people. As far as Republicans and Democrats go, do you know who democrat Katie Porter is?

She was a freshman congresswoman who won her district in Stockton California (I say in fraud) but she went to congress to spend all her time embarrassing people. One such person she embarrassed was JP Morgan Chase CEO Jaime Dimon. She went after him on how little he was paying his bank tellers.

Towards the end of her shaming and lecturing this man (who just sat there with the patience of Job) she started mentioning Speedy Cash to make up for the shortfall. She mentioned it because her constituents (the people who elected her) tend to use Speedy Cash. If I was Dimon, I would have taken that moment to ask her why she hasn't crafted a bill to get rid of Speedy Cash because they prey upon poor people, her people? We both know what she would have done at that moment. She would have screamed to the moderator "reclaiming my time" and she would have reframed her entire argument. No way would she have been re-elected by her people if she outlawed Speedy Cash.

You are going to have to get into the details as to what the GOP in South Carolina did to cock-block any reform on usury.

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DooKSucks wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 12:10 pm

innocentbystander wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 10:51 am None of that is the point.

The point that you missed counsellor, is that because no-fault-divorce law exists now in all 50 states, poorer people generally do not get married AT ALL! Marriage has basically disappeared from significant segments of our society. Its not that I want to deny people the freedom to contract and associate with whomever they choose. It is instead that a change in marriage law (which makes it easier to get out of that contract than it is to get out of a cell phone contract) means that the marriage contacts have ceased being created. Have you read this book yet?

https://www.amazon.com/Marriage-White-P ... B004BDP002

I don't expect you will read it, but I think you might enjoy it. It goes over all the math and the details and explains why marriage has all but vanished from black culture in the United States. George Will has said over and over, we need to figure out why that is and no one is doing that. Well its obvious why that is in black America, men have stopped proposing (that is a fact) and women get paid money from government to have (and keep) children out of wedlock (also a fact.) The reason why black men have stopped proposing is obvious: you exist counsellor. You exist and are ready to "eviscerate" him (your word) the moment she is no longer haaaappppy. So men no longer have any real reason to get married. What's in it for them?

If you really want to be scared, read this book:

https://www.amazon.com/American-Dream-T ... 286&sr=8-1

This one will really fuck you up counsellor. It follows the lives of three welfare mothers through welfare reform, and DeParle reveals that none of these three women, all in their late thirties, had ever been to a wedding! Now think about that, think about how different your life would be (now that you are 37) if you had never even been to a wedding? What kind of life is that? That is their life. That is their life because we made divorce law all powerful counsellor.

You keep talking about the contract. That is good. It is a contract. But it was a binding contract back before no-fault-divorce. What do I mean by "binding?" In 1955, if a woman was unhaaaaaapppppppyyyy and didn't want to fuck her husband anymore, she could just leave. She could leave her family at any moment. But she left with the clothes on her back. No house. No alimony. No child support. No children. No nothing. She just leaved. And he keeps everything. She could go to you and you could go to a judge back in 1955 and demand all those things and you know what the judge would say to her and you? He'd say "what are his faults? Has he been committing infidelity? Has he been beating you? Does he spend his entire paycheck on booze and drugs?" And if none of those things are happening, she gets nothing. There is no "fault" here. She just wanted out. And that means, she gets nothing.

That is a marriage contract counsellor. That is what good men want, particularly the "marginal case" who is so poor he doesn't want to be ruined by a feminist woman who goes feral and doesn't want to fuck him anymore. He wants to be protected against the feral wife the minute she is no longer happy. But he had no protections. So poor men stopped proposing. That is your fault counsellor.

DooKSucks wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 7:55 am With regards to predatory lending: in South Carolina they have had a free for all thanks to the GOP. NC’s Democrats cracked down on them in the 90’s and early 2000’s, and despite their best efforts, the GOP has not been able to roll back much of those protections because of optics/public outcry.

Speedy Cash should not exist in the first place, neither should pay day/auto-title loan dealers. Do you think I would ever enter one of those buildings? We both know I'm too smart for that. These buildings exist to prey upon stupid people. As far as Republicans and Democrats go, do you know who democrat Katie Porter is?

She was a freshman congresswoman who won her district in Stockton California (I say in fraud) but she went to congress to spend all her time embarrassing people. One such person she embarrassed was JP Morgan Chase CEO Jaime Dimon. She went after him on how little he was paying his bank tellers.

Towards the end of her shaming and lecturing this man (who just sat there with the patience of Job) she started mentioning Speedy Cash to make up for the shortfall. She mentioned it because her constituents (the people who elected her) tend to use Speedy Cash. If I was Dimon, I would have taken that moment to ask her why she hasn't crafted a bill to get rid of Speedy Cash because they prey upon poor people, her people? We both know what she would have done at that moment. She would have screamed to the moderator "reclaiming my time" and she would have reframed her entire argument. No way would she have been re-elected by her people if she outlawed Speedy Cash.

You are going to have to get into the details as to what the GOP in South Carolina did to cock-block any reform on usury.

I hate to break it to you, but lower income folks aren’t shelling out thousands of dollars for attorneys.

innocentbystander wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 12:16 pm

DooKSucks wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 12:10 pm

innocentbystander wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 10:51 am None of that is the point.

The point that you missed counsellor, is that because no-fault-divorce law exists now in all 50 states, poorer people generally do not get married AT ALL! Marriage has basically disappeared from significant segments of our society. Its not that I want to deny people the freedom to contract and associate with whomever they choose. It is instead that a change in marriage law (which makes it easier to get out of that contract than it is to get out of a cell phone contract) means that the marriage contacts have ceased being created. Have you read this book yet?

https://www.amazon.com/Marriage-White-P ... B004BDP002

I don't expect you will read it, but I think you might enjoy it. It goes over all the math and the details and explains why marriage has all but vanished from black culture in the United States. George Will has said over and over, we need to figure out why that is and no one is doing that. Well its obvious why that is in black America, men have stopped proposing (that is a fact) and women get paid money from government to have (and keep) children out of wedlock (also a fact.) The reason why black men have stopped proposing is obvious: you exist counsellor. You exist and are ready to "eviscerate" him (your word) the moment she is no longer haaaappppy. So men no longer have any real reason to get married. What's in it for them?

If you really want to be scared, read this book:

https://www.amazon.com/American-Dream-T ... 286&sr=8-1

This one will really fuck you up counsellor. It follows the lives of three welfare mothers through welfare reform, and DeParle reveals that none of these three women, all in their late thirties, had ever been to a wedding! Now think about that, think about how different your life would be (now that you are 37) if you had never even been to a wedding? What kind of life is that? That is their life. That is their life because we made divorce law all powerful counsellor.

You keep talking about the contract. That is good. It is a contract. But it was a binding contract back before no-fault-divorce. What do I mean by "binding?" In 1955, if a woman was unhaaaaaapppppppyyyy and didn't want to fuck her husband anymore, she could just leave. She could leave her family at any moment. But she left with the clothes on her back. No house. No alimony. No child support. No children. No nothing. She just leaved. And he keeps everything. She could go to you and you could go to a judge back in 1955 and demand all those things and you know what the judge would say to her and you? He'd say "what are his faults? Has he been committing infidelity? Has he been beating you? Does he spend his entire paycheck on booze and drugs?" And if none of those things are happening, she gets nothing. There is no "fault" here. She just wanted out. And that means, she gets nothing.

That is a marriage contract counsellor. That is what good men want, particularly the "marginal case" who is so poor he doesn't want to be ruined by a feminist woman who goes feral and doesn't want to fuck him anymore. He wants to be protected against the feral wife the minute she is no longer happy. But he had no protections. So poor men stopped proposing. That is your fault counsellor.



Speedy Cash should not exist in the first place, neither should pay day/auto-title loan dealers. Do you think I would ever enter one of those buildings? We both know I'm too smart for that. These buildings exist to prey upon stupid people. As far as Republicans and Democrats go, do you know who democrat Katie Porter is?

She was a freshman congresswoman who won her district in Stockton California (I say in fraud) but she went to congress to spend all her time embarrassing people. One such person she embarrassed was JP Morgan Chase CEO Jaime Dimon. She went after him on how little he was paying his bank tellers.

Towards the end of her shaming and lecturing this man (who just sat there with the patience of Job) she started mentioning Speedy Cash to make up for the shortfall. She mentioned it because her constituents (the people who elected her) tend to use Speedy Cash. If I was Dimon, I would have taken that moment to ask her why she hasn't crafted a bill to get rid of Speedy Cash because they prey upon poor people, her people? We both know what she would have done at that moment. She would have screamed to the moderator "reclaiming my time" and she would have reframed her entire argument. No way would she have been re-elected by her people if she outlawed Speedy Cash.

You are going to have to get into the details as to what the GOP in South Carolina did to cock-block any reform on usury.

I hate to break it to you, but lower income folks aren’t shelling out thousands of dollars for attorneys.

I hate to break it to you, but lower income folks (fearing people like YOU) aren't shelling out any money for weddings as there will be none. You exist. You exist because the no-fault-divorce law exists. So the marginal case, poor people who used to get married, they don't marry anymore.

That is the point that you keep missing. The law (that you turned into a cottage industry) is the problem.

hedge wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 12:31 pm Did you have to quote the entire goddamn post??

innocentbystander wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 12:38 pm

hedge wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 12:31 pm Did you have to quote the entire goddamn post??

DS and I are both guilty on that one.

DooKSucks wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 12:41 pm No. You’re a fucking idiot who need only sit in a running car in a closed garage for several minutes to make the world a better place. It would be your one and only gift to the world.

eCat wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 12:48 pm now we are seeing the "we really wanted Kamala to be president, not some old white guy"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/af ... li=BBnb7Kz

I don' t know the author, he may be a died in the wool conservative but its on MSN