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Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:09 pm
by aTm
It's still amazing to me that Rick Perry was so dumb that he couldn't just breeze into this nomination.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 5:26 pm
by Bklyn
He rushed in. His first instincts were right to wait until 2016, but he got enticed by the siren that is this anemic field and dove in early. He was more unprepared than Palin. Now, he's done for '16.

How old is "P", JEB's son?

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:56 am
by Owlman
aTm wrote:It's still amazing to me that Rick Perry was so dumb that he couldn't just breeze into this nomination.
yep

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:49 am
by eCat
Owlman wrote:
aTm wrote:It's still amazing to me that Rick Perry was so dumb that he couldn't just breeze into this nomination.
yep
he can't be as dumb a bumpkin as he came off , same with Cain.

I'm scared this is the new politics of the GOP. They are so fractured that what used to be second tier novelty acts are mainstream.

See "Joe the Plumber"

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:02 am
by Owlman
FoxNews paints the Democrats as moving so far to the left, but the reality is the Repubs have moved significantly further to the right while purging not just their moderates but anybody willing to compromise (see Bennett from Utah).

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:41 am
by Bklyn
The GOP has gone so far right, I'm not sure what past President would actually be considered Conservative in their view. It used to be a doctrine of "pander to them, legislate without them." That's changed for some reason that I have not quite put my finger on. I don't know if there was a singular moment that changed that course. Maybe it was, when you boil it all down, September 11 that brought the goofballs out from behind the drywall.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 12:33 pm
by sardis
Both sides have polarized the middle, and, yes, Dems are more liberal than when Clinton was in office.

Obama's tax rates under his recent plan are more than Clinton's.

He's spending a whole hell of alot more of a percentage of GDP than Clinton in every year of his plan through 2024.

His deficit projections are higher.

Obama passed a de facto universal healthcare program where Clinton could not even with a larger Dem majority in congress his first two years.

Don't ask, don't tell repealed.

Etc.

And btw, The Bush tax cuts were instituted before 2011 with a 50/50 split of Dems and Reps in Senate

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 12:38 pm
by eCat
Clinton didn't walk into economic apocalypse either. Not that I believe a massive stimulus plan was the answer but I have to believe that a republican was going to spend a boatload of money, saving GM and Chrysler (and keep in mind T.A.R.P. was on Bush's dime) as well as preventing states from going tits up on unemployment insurance and social services.

I find it odd how people say that gas was $1.87 when Obama took office and look at it now, ignoring WHY it was $1.87 coming down from a high of near $5 before the economic meltdown. Do we want $1.87 gas with 10% unemployment, the credit markets frozen, the housing market in severe deflation and the stock market shedding trillions?

I'm at a point where I believe gas prices are a barometer for the economy because its driven by speculation.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 12:40 pm
by sardis
[quote="eCat"]Clinton didn't walk into economic apocalypse either.

That's fine for current years, but 2024? And we still project a 900 billion deficit?

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 12:42 pm
by eCat
2024?

btw, the estimated cost for Obamacare has already doubled

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 12:43 pm
by aTm
I'm at a point where I believe gas prices are a barometer for the economy because its driven by speculation.
Good....goood.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 12:57 pm
by sardis
[http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/ ... B1.pdf/url]

Sorry, through 2022 and 700 billion

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 1:33 pm
by Owlman
Obama's tax rates under his recent plan are more than Clinton's.
Not for the majority of the country since he is not proposing that the majority go back to pre-Bush tax rates.

Not only that, the health care plan that was passed is far to the right of the one proposed by Clinton (in fact is essentially equivalent to the plan that the Republicans proposed in 1994. Clinton passed a tax increase in 1993, thus far Obama has passed more tax cuts than tax increases.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 3:00 pm
by sardis
Shifting the tax burden from the non wealthy to the wealthy compared to Clinton proves more of a left slant. The fact that R's were suggesting an equivalent healthcare plan proves my point that R's are more conservative, not Dems were less leftist


Please go to Talent's and discuss Gringrich's proposal on healthcare in2004. Prof's head will explode.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 5:50 pm
by Bklyn
and now he has invisible children all on his hand(s)

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/j ... 70255.html

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 11:37 am
by sardis

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 11:25 pm
by Bklyn
The Department of Health and Human Services announced on Thursday that it will cut off all Medicaid funding for family planning to the state of Texas, following Gov. Rick Perry's (R) decision to implement a new law that excludes Planned Parenthood from the state's Medicaid Women's Health Program.

Cindy Mann, director of the Center for Medicaid and State Operations (CMSO), wrote Texas health officials a letter on Thursday explaining that the state broke federal Medicaid rules by discriminating against qualified family planning providers and thus would be losing the entire program, which provides cancer screenings, contraceptives and basic health care to 130,000 low-income women each year.

"We very much regret the state's decision to implement this rule, which will prevent women enrolled in the program from receiving services from the trusted health care providers they have chosen and relied upon for their care," she wrote. "In light of Texas' actions, CMS is not in a position to extend or renew the current [Medicaid contract]."

The federal government pays for nearly 90 percent of Texas' $40 million Women's Health Program, and nearly half of the program's providers in Texas are Planned Parenthood clinics. But the new law that went into effect earlier this month disqualified Planned Parenthood from participating in the program because some of its clinics provide abortions, even though no state or federal money can be used to pay for those abortions.

According to Medicaid law, Mann said, a state cannot restrict women's ability to choose a provider simply because that provider offers separate services -- in this case, abortion -- that aren’t even paid for by the Medicaid program.

Perry wrote a letter to President Obama earlier this month accusing his administration of "mandating which health providers the state of Texas must use" in order to "continue to support abortion providers like Planned Parenthood." He vowed to continue the Women's Health Program in Texas without Planned Parenthood and without federal money, although he has yet to outline how his state will come up with money.

But an HHS spokesperson told reporters on Thursday that this was not Obama's decision and that the administration's hands are tied on the issue. “Medicaid law is very clear; a state may not restrict patients’ choice of providers of services like mammograms and other cancer screenings, if those providers are qualified to deliver care covered by Medicaid. Patients, not state government officials, should be able to choose the doctors and other health care providers that are best for them and their families. In 2005, Texas requested this same authority to restrict patients’ choices, and the Bush Administration did not grant it to them either.”

CORRECTION: An earlier version of this article said that Texas' Women's Health Program costs $40 billion. The correct number is $40 million. We regret the error.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:12 am
by Owlman
sardis wrote:Shifting the tax burden from the non wealthy to the wealthy compared to Clinton proves more of a left slant. The fact that R's were suggesting an equivalent healthcare plan proves my point that R's are more conservative, not Dems were less leftist


Please go to Talent's and discuss Gringrich's proposal on healthcare in2004. Prof's head will explode.
You can't have it both ways. If the Repubs have moved to the right, then Dems in enacting a Repub plan have also moved to the right by enacting what was 17 years ago considered a conservative plan. Your initial statement that Obama budget has higher taxes compared to Clinton may not be true. They're currently lower and they seem that they would still be lower (yes, considering all of the rates, not just those for the wealthy)

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:39 am
by Jungle Rat
Sweet. That soldier who killed those afgans grew up down the road from the first house I owned.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 12:56 pm
by BigRedMan
When did DS hack Jungle Rat's account? That is some shameful shit right there but for a lawyer, not surprised.