The Goat Pen

450 million in debt to Russia, China and others. 26 mill credit for a 3 million plot of useless land. Bankruptcys everywhere you look. He knows if he loses he's going to jail. He's gonna do everything he can. Legally or not. The guy is a mental mess.

You can’t get a charitable deduction on land hat big unless you attach an independent appraisal. The IRS would kick it out if it didnt.

eCat wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 6:06 am the tax story dies after the debate tonight

And what story supersedes it, pray tell?

whatever shouting match topic occurs tonight

I think Trump handled the tax thing wrong from the start. His position should have been I paid as little in taxes as possible, its every Americans right, heck, their obligation, to minimize their tax liability to the fullest extent the law allows. If people aren't happy with the tax structure then change it, elect officials that want to raise your taxes. I'm not that guy.


boom, everyone shuts up about his taxes.

but his ego wanted everyone in America to think he was richer than he was. He hasn't made money in real estate for awhile, and he was tanking until The Apprentice came along, then it became fashionable for him to franchise his name. Alot of the Trump buildings in the world just paid him a fee to use his name (which after being elected president was a pretty good investment on their part)

Not in New York...

"the tax story dies after the debate tonight"

Yeah, I'm sure it's going to fade away soon...

sardis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:42 am You can’t get a charitable deduction on land hat big unless you attach an independent appraisal. The IRS would kick it out if it didnt.

Appraisers can be bribed...

Fearless prediction: in four short months we will be reading about the indictment of disgraced ex-president Donald Trump.

Yep.

Where did prof and crotch go?

These debates are going to be pure unfiltered comedy. Think Trump will call him Sleepy Joe to his face or leave that to when he hides behind Twitter? Not really sure why we need a debate. Trump lied his way through the 2016 ones making promises he never kept. Think he'll do anything less tonight.

He already knows he's going to lose. Thus the bullshit justice pick. Can't wait to see the Trumpettes spin tonights show.

I'm sure Biden will make a gaffe or two, and Fox will run panel discussions on it for a week, but this type of forum is not Trump's strong suit, at all. He's used to running off at the mouth to an adoring crowd, they don't care what lie he spews, they're going to cheer at anything. But esp. in a hall with very few people and a moderator who is well known for calling out bullshit and asking tough follow-up questions, Trump is just not very good.

He did a town hall a couple weeks ago, it was a disaster, one lady was standing there crying, telling about how her mother had died of cancer, she asked him something about healthcare and Trump just started blabbing about coronavirus, and how we've done better than anyone, blahblahblah, and then made a comment which made it plain that he thought the woman's mother had died of coronavirus, not cancer. If Biden had done that, he would've been crucified for being too senile to remember something that was told to him 30 seconds earlier, but when Trump does it it doesn't even register.

Oh yeah, and during the town hall, where Trump was supposed to be sitting there and taking questions and listening to voters' concerns, he actually tweeted. During a fucking town hall meeting with voters, and he's sitting there tweeting. He has the mind and attention span of a teenage girl. I think he's going to make a fool of himself tonight, as he usually does when he speaks publicly, but his supporters won't care or even notice...

It's going to be epic

What a fucked up state of being when I'm forced to back Biden because the other guy is the worst president ever. Thanks, America, fucking thanks!

Trump is vicious

Yep, and couldn't care less about the constitution, laws, norms, traditions, decorum, debate, ideas, anything but himself. That's your president...

I like what Brian Williams said right after the "debate" ended: "What a dark event we have just witnessed. A tip of the hat to Cormac McCarthy when we say 'If that wasn't a mess, it'll do til the mess gets here'"...

hedge wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 11:01 pm Yep, and couldn't care less about the constitution, laws, norms, traditions, decorum, debate, ideas, anything but himself. That's your president...

thank god its not Hillary. I'll take it any day of the week and twice on Sunday

Look at what Biden did tonight - he rejected AOC's Green New Deal, He rejected Bernie Sanders Medicaid for All ,and he couldn't name a single law enforcement group that supports him. He refused to answer questions.

You can make it about Trump, but Biden said some things will make progressives stay home. Moderates were probably meh with both of him.

If that's what you're putting all your chips on, I think you're going to be disappointed. And Hillary is 1000x the politician and human being Trump will ever be, in terms of intelligence, empathy, human decency, you name it. The greatest tragedy in the history of this country is that Hillary isn't the president right now. I have grave reservations about her, but compared to Trump she's George Washington, Churchill, Gandhi and Jesus Christ combined....

that is idiotic

btw, this is a blessing to Biden, His people were looking for a reason not to debate again, he just got it

Trump was a bully. Now he can hide and avoid making incoherent rambling statements

also, you think they'll be talking about his taxes tomorrow?

The biggest loser tonight was Chris Wallace. His reputation took a major hit tonight..