Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Tree · Post by **Tree** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:56 pm

I'm not a fan of papa smurf chomsky.

hedge · Post by **hedge** » Tue Jul 19, 2022 9:12 am

I think Chomsky may be projecting the state of his own life onto the totality of "organized human life on Earth"...

Tree · Post by **Tree** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 2:31 pm

He took a very pro technocrat stance a while back when he said the people who refused to get vaccines should be put in camps or some shit. I am chalking that up to old age though and still think he was a brilliants thinker, writer, and talker in years past.

innocentbystander · Post by **innocentbystander** » Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:37 pm

Tree wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 2:31 pm He took a very pro technocrat stance a while back when he said the people who refused to get vaccines should be put in camps or some shit.

Curious.

Did he take this stance before or AFTER November 8th, 2020? I can't imagine this man expecting US citizens to surrender their freedom and liberty to the authority of one POTUS Trump.

Tree · Post by **Tree** » Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:22 pm

That's an amazing question that opened my opinion to your point of view. No it isn't. FUck off.

innocentbystander · Post by **innocentbystander** » Thu Jul 28, 2022 2:19 am

Tree wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:22 pm That's an amazing question that opened my opinion to your point of view. No it isn't. FUck off.

Wasn't really trying to change your opinion on anything.

It is MY OPINION that people like Chomsky make the kind of comments they make (to decide who shall be in authority over how we are allowed to live our lives) based entirely and SOLELY on their politics. Nothing else. Personally, Noam doesn't even regard science, math, or common sense. Just the politics matter. And I believe that the man's brain is now too old and calcified to fully understand that part of his logic tree is entirely hardwired to think this way.

Jungle Rat · Post by **Jungle Rat** » Thu Jul 28, 2022 9:12 am

Nobody fucking cares what you think. Get back in your hole.

innocentbystander · Post by **innocentbystander** » Thu Jul 28, 2022 10:16 am

Jungle Rat wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 9:12 am Nobody fucking cares what you think. Get back in your hole.

Some people care what I think. You are just not one of them.

Jungle Rat · Post by **Jungle Rat** » Thu Jul 28, 2022 11:29 am

innocentbystander · Post by **innocentbystander** » Thu Jul 28, 2022 2:34 pm

Strange it is not, that when the University of Cincinnati was doing so well in football and I was praising them, then you did seem to care what I had to say? You valued my comments then. Isn't that odd?

You see rat, I am fully functional adult in that I am more than capable of holding two (or even more than two) different thoughts in my head at the same time. Sadly, that is a quality that is growing ever rarer in today's cancel culture of politics at all costs. The fact that you don't care about that fact is yet another reason why I am a better person than you.

Jungle Rat · Post by **Jungle Rat** » Thu Jul 28, 2022 3:49 pm

puterbac · Post by **puterbac** » Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:10 pm

That time...

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread
Post by puterbac » Wed Sep 11, 2020 11:29 am
19 frigging years ago...

CardiNole - Sep 11, 2001 1:13 pm (#22092 of 209412)
News here is reporting 2 planes crashing into 2 of the towers at the World Trade Center...
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Volmillion - Sep 11, 2001 1:19 pm (#22093 of 209412)
The footage is awful.
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Pale - Sep 11, 2001 1:23 pm (#22094 of 209412)
United Airlines is reporting two planes hijacked earlier this morning...
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Regelbuck - Sep 11, 2001 1:26 pm (#22095 of 209412)
unfucking real!!!
747 type plane hijacked crashed into one and then another military plane crashed into the other...total catastrophy!!
pictures look unreal!!!!!
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billy bob bocephus - Sep 11, 2001 1:26 pm (#22096 of 209412)
apparently there have been two planes crash into the Twin Towers ( one into each tower)of the World Trade Center. TV news is getting the story out better than any of the .com news centers.
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wildcat00 - Sep 11, 2001 1:27 pm (#22097 of 209412)
I'm listening on the radio...
Just unbelievable...
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Dr. Strangelove - Sep 11, 2001 1:28 pm (#22098 of 209412)
None of the dot-com news sites are working for me, what's going on????
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Pale - Sep 11, 2001 1:30 pm (#22099 of 209412)
I'm sure they're swamped by everyone and their mother...
Bush is speaking live on the radio.
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wildcat00 - Sep 11, 2001 1:31 pm (#22100 of 209412)
Not working for me either...
It looks like it's probably something terrorist related...
The buildings are on fire...I hope everyone makes it out ok.
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Pale - Sep 11, 2001 1:33 pm (#22101 of 209412)
Bush's remarks short and to the point: Act of terrorism. Prayers to victims and their families. We will hunt down whoever is responsible.
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Dr. Strangelove - Sep 11, 2001 1:34 pm (#22102 of 209412)
Jesus Christ...
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AugustWest - Sep 11, 2001 1:34 pm (#22103 of 209412)
jesus. this is horrible. any word on casualties yet? I cant get TV or radio.
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Pale - Sep 11, 2001 1:35 pm (#22104 of 209412)
What the fuck kind of people are there in this world to think that something like this can possibly be justified in any conceivable way?
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RU4FSU'91 - Sep 11, 2001 1:38 pm (#22105 of 209412)
Holy Jesus, I am watching the live footage of the first crash, then the second one hits...LIVE!!!!!

puterbac · Post by **puterbac** » Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:11 pm

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CardiNole - Sep 11, 2001 1:38 pm (#22106 of 209412)
Nothing yet. I'm watching here at work and any victim/survivor info is still sketchy.
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RU4FSU'91 - Sep 11, 2001 1:40 pm (#22107 of 209412)
I will say this, that building can withstand anything, after seeing this. It basically has a hole right through it, yet the top is intact......thousands are presumed dead, remember thats "presumed".
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Clashmore Mike - Sep 11, 2001 1:40 pm (#22108 of 209412)
Can anyone get coverage on-line???
Not that ya'll's commentary isn't world class.....
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RU4FSU'91 - Sep 11, 2001 1:41 pm (#22109 of 209412)
Nope, I tried all the major news sites, and they aren't working.
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RU4FSU'91 - Sep 11, 2001 1:42 pm (#22110 of 209412)
Now there is a unconfirmed report of an explosion at the Pentagon.
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The Talent - Sep 11, 2001 1:42 pm (#22111 of 209412)
Holy fuckin' shit.
Our NY offices are in the World Trade Center.
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Regelbuck - Sep 11, 2001 1:42 pm (#22112 of 209412)
I'm hearing that one of the buildings are buckling..
NY is shut down...mahantan sealed off...us fighter planes in the sky...
Only Pearl Harbor can rival this....

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wildcat00 - Sep 11, 2001 1:42 pm (#22113 of 209412)
Oh my god...thousands??? Jesus...
I just don't understand terrorism...
If you have a cause you believe in, how does killing innocent people bring you positive publicity...
Morons...
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Regelbuck - Sep 11, 2001 1:43 pm (#22114 of 209412)
White House and Pentagone being evacuated!!!
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Regelbuck - Sep 11, 2001 1:43 pm (#22115 of 209412)
Sharp shooters on roof of Whitehouse
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Regelbuck - Sep 11, 2001 1:44 pm (#22116 of 209412)
Another explosion at Pentagon!!!!!!!!!!
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Pale - Sep 11, 2001 1:44 pm (#22117 of 209412)
Are we approaching a state of war?
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CardiNole - Sep 11, 2001 1:44 pm (#22118 of 209412)
They just hit the Pentagon!!
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Regelbuck - Sep 11, 2001 1:44 pm (#22119 of 209412)
FUCK!
my sister-in-law works there...fucking shitheads
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wildcat00 - Sep 11, 2001 1:45 pm (#22120 of 209412)
Shaddup!
Oh my god...what the fuck is going on?
Somebody just bombed the Pentagon? OMG...
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RU4FSU'91 - Sep 11, 2001 1:46 pm (#22121 of 209412)
This is crazy, they may be Iraqi.
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Pale - Sep 11, 2001 1:48 pm (#22122 of 209412)
The Capital is now being evacuated also.
People, stay somewhere "safe," if you can. This may not be over yet.
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CardiNole - Sep 11, 2001 1:48 pm (#22123 of 209412)
Not sure yet, WC...
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RU4FSU'91 - Sep 11, 2001 1:50 pm (#22124 of 209412)
Damn I was supposed to be in DC this morning.......
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Pale - Sep 11, 2001 1:50 pm (#22125 of 209412)
Thank whatever God you believe in that you're not, RU...
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madthug - Sep 11, 2001 1:51 pm (#22126 of 209412)
All ships have been deployed here at Norfolk
All f 16 tomcats are deploying from Langley & Oceana
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Clashmore Mike - Sep 11, 2001 1:52 pm (#22127 of 209412)
I'm here, can see smoke from the Pentagon from Rosslyn.

puterbac · Post by **puterbac** » Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:11 pm

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Clashmore Mike - Sep 11, 2001 1:52 pm (#22128 of 209412)
EMS services from all directions....all flights cancelled.
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Regelbuck - Sep 11, 2001 1:53 pm (#22129 of 209412)
Wake up call for America....
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Pale - Sep 11, 2001 1:53 pm (#22130 of 209412)
Jesus Christ, CNN is reporting it was a MILITARY helicopter that crashed into the Pentagon...
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Regelbuck - Sep 11, 2001 2:00 pm (#22131 of 209412)
One tower has just fallen down!!!
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The Talent - Sep 11, 2001 2:01 pm (#22132 of 209412)
OMG.
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Pale - Sep 11, 2001 2:02 pm (#22133 of 209412)
Second massive explosion at WTC... reports that part of South Tower has collapsed...
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Clashmore Mike - Sep 11, 2001 2:03 pm (#22134 of 209412)
South tower is down.......this has to mean massive casualties.
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AugustWest - Sep 11, 2001 2:04 pm (#22135 of 209412)
a big chunk of one of the buildings has fallen off.
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Clashmore Mike - Sep 11, 2001 2:04 pm (#22136 of 209412)
and we don't know that this is over yet....

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The Talent - Sep 11, 2001 2:04 pm (#22137 of 209412)
Fuck.
This has got me looking out my window. I expect to see the Sears Tower go down in a few minutes.
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The Talent - Sep 11, 2001 2:05 pm (#22138 of 209412)
I can't believe it. We have 450 attorneys working in the WTC...some of which I know fairly well.
Un-fucking-believable.
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AugustWest - Sep 11, 2001 2:06 pm (#22139 of 209412)
appearently the first plane was fully loaded.
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wildcat00 - Sep 11, 2001 2:07 pm (#22140 of 209412)
Fucking unbelievable...
The entire South tower just collapsed. Just think of all the people who work in the area.
I hear they're evacuating major buildings all over the country.
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wildcat00 - Sep 11, 2001 2:16 pm (#22141 of 209412)
Explosion outside the Capitol building...
OMG. I think this means war...
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AugustWest - Sep 11, 2001 2:25 pm (#22142 of 209412)
car bomb at the state dept building.
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Dr. Martin Van Nostron - Sep 11, 2001 2:27 pm (#22143 of 209412)
OK CNN just said no explosion at the capital...

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CardiNole - Sep 11, 2001 2:28 pm (#22144 of 209412)
All US flights cancelled. All int'l flight headed to the US are being diverted to Canada.
Reportedly another plane in DC has supposedly been hijacked.
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puterbac - Sep 11, 2001 2:28 pm (#22145 of 209412)
Other than prayer for everybody involved I've got one thing to say:
SON OF A BITCHES MUST PAY!
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slingin sammy - Sep 11, 2001 2:29 pm (#22146 of 209412)
this is unbelieveable
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Dr. Martin Van Nostron - Sep 11, 2001 2:30 pm (#22147 of 209412)
Damn - the North Tower just collapsed...
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Volmillion - Sep 11, 2001 2:30 pm (#22148 of 209412)
No Sammy....it is all too believable. We have become soft and complacent.
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puterbac - Sep 11, 2001 2:30 pm (#22149 of 209412)
2nd tower down.
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Regelbuck - Sep 11, 2001 2:30 pm (#22150 of 209412)
Second tower gone now too...
Also report another plane hijacked heading to DC!!!!!!!
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Regelbuck - Sep 11, 2001 2:31 pm (#22151 of 209412)
abc reported car explosion outside state Dept...

puterbac · Post by **puterbac** » Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:12 pm

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The Talent - Sep 11, 2001 2:31 pm (#22152 of 209412)
Soft and complacent has nothing to do with hijacking.
How the fuck did they hijack two planes???
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puterbac - Sep 11, 2001 2:33 pm (#22153 of 209412)
That plane is gonna be shot down.
I'm going home to watch the news. I'll be on with you all in about 10 minutes. I can't concentrate on work at all.
This requires more than a simple bombing in response. I wanna take over the goddamn country responsible. If anybody opens their fucking mouth then we nuke them.
We're talking potentially > 10,000 dead from this.
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The Talent - Sep 11, 2001 2:34 pm (#22154 of 209412)
How the fuck do you hijack a plane in America????
I can't believe this...
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Volmillion - Sep 11, 2001 2:36 pm (#22155 of 209412)
Talent, you know what I mean.....I am just very emotional right now.
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Clashmore Mike - Sep 11, 2001 2:40 pm (#22156 of 209412)
I'm in D.C. right now. Rosslyn area. Spending my time running up and down the street and to the top of this building.....(not politically connected with anything or near anything political)......also checking in here every few minutes. Cannot get news from any site right now.....phones down....I do have ABC radio. Would greatly appreciate you guys continuing to post news updates as they are available. I can see smoke from the Pentagon, nothing from the State department. Will keep you updated if I should see anything other than racing police cars and speeding F-16's.
puter.....these people will pay, even if it means that I get my 30 year old ass back into shape for another Marine Corps enlistment. BTW, your thread just became a quite a real news source for me.

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Dave Rickart - Sep 11, 2001 2:41 pm (#22157 of 209412)
talent, yahoo mail.
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AugustWest - Sep 11, 2001 2:41 pm (#22158 of 209412)
ok no bomb at the state dept.
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AugustWest - Sep 11, 2001 2:43 pm (#22159 of 209412)
we just lost the NBC signal.
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Regelbuck - Sep 11, 2001 2:43 pm (#22160 of 209412)
Another large plane down in western PA
also, reports of 767 hijacked in Pittsburg.....
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VolKev - Sep 11, 2001 2:48 pm (#22161 of 209412)
FWIW, KnoxNews.com has coverage and is presently accessible- I can't get into any of the major sites.
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slingin sammy - Sep 11, 2001 2:49 pm (#22162 of 209412)
kev ......i can't get on it
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VolKev - Sep 11, 2001 2:50 pm (#22163 of 209412)
Try again- I hosed the link the first time.
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VolKev - Sep 11, 2001 2:51 pm (#22164 of 209412)
They're asking for information from anyone who knows anything, as well.

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lil red devil! - Sep 11, 2001 2:52 pm (#22165 of 209412)
The VP at our University just cancelled all training sessions and all activities but scheduled classes...and this in Colorado!!!
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The Talent - Sep 11, 2001 2:53 pm (#22166 of 209412)
Well, I'm being evacuated from my building.
I'm not a religious guy, as most of you know, but god bless those poor folks in the WTC. And godspeed to the rest of you.
A day that will live in infamy.
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Entropy - Sep 11, 2001 2:55 pm (#22167 of 209412)
Nuke em.. kill them all.
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Steve "Shiny Pants" Spurrier - Sep 11, 2001 2:56 pm (#22168 of 209412)
I was fixing to ask where Talent was. I knew he was in Chicago somewhere. I figure that town or LA or San Fran would be next. I'd get the hell out of the city as soon as I could. Good luck Talent.
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Op Ed - Sep 11, 2001 2:57 pm (#22169 of 209412)
I posted this earlier in another forum, but any state that now harbors or aids a terrorist in any way should now be acknowledged as at war with the United States and dealt with accordingly.
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Volmillion - Sep 11, 2001 2:59 pm (#22170 of 209412)
Even the BBC websites are fried.
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lil red devil! - Sep 11, 2001 3:00 pm (#22171 of 209412)
...got a co-worker who's daughter is at the WTC. Also, just heard on the radio that the FBI had confirmed reports that Bin Laden said he was going to hit the U.S. this week!!!!

puterbac · Post by **puterbac** » Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:12 pm

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madthug - Sep 11, 2001 3:02 pm (#22172 of 209412)
8 PLANES WERE HIJACKED
5 ARE STILL IN THE AIR
1 JUST CRASHED INTO CAMP DAVID
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lil red devil! - Sep 11, 2001 3:03 pm (#22173 of 209412)
..NO WAY!!!!
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Entropy - Sep 11, 2001 3:08 pm (#22174 of 209412)
NO shit... How in the hell do they hijack a plane?
They'll have to shoot them down...
ed.. amen.. any country is at war w/ america that harbors terrorists..
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slingin sammy - Sep 11, 2001 3:09 pm (#22175 of 209412)
Just heard from Britt Hume the Camp David report is false
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Volmillion - Sep 11, 2001 3:10 pm (#22176 of 209412)
The footage of the plane smashing into the tower is amazing....like a surreal movie.
God be with us all, and God bless America.
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Clashmore Mike - Sep 11, 2001 3:14 pm (#22177 of 209412)
Entropy, perhaps this is just emotion talking, but I'm of the opinion that ANY group that claims responsibility is to be targeted and eliminated with malice. There should be no free-rides to publicity on the back of this outrage. ANY country that harbors these people is to be considered an enemy at war with the United States. No soveriegnty, no recognition of political standing whatsoever. If the UN tries to play "broker", we immediately withdraw.

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wildcat00 - Sep 11, 2001 3:22 pm (#22178 of 209412)
Jesus Christ...
Why does any of this shit happen?
I hope they get the fuckers that did this...
Please, everyone. Go home...be safe. Pray hard, even if you don't believe that there is a god...
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AugustWest - Sep 11, 2001 3:24 pm (#22179 of 209412)
AMERICAN CONFIRMS TWO AIRCRAFT LOST
FORT WORTH, Texas – American Airlines confirmed today that it lost two aircraft in tragic incidents this morning. American said the flights were Flight 11, a Boeing 767 en route from Boston to Los Angeles with 81 passengers, nine flight attendants and two pilots; and Flight 77, a Boeing 757 operating from Washington Dulles to Los Angeles with 58 passengers, four flight attendants and two pilots.
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lil red devil! - Sep 11, 2001 3:24 pm (#22180 of 209412)
... just heard on the radio that the FBI confirms a United flight crash at Camp David......
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puterbac - Sep 11, 2001 3:27 pm (#22181 of 209412)
The outcry for GWB to respond is going to be overwhelming, unbelievable, any adjective you want to use.
I don't think the people who did this realize that they have just called down the wrath of God down upon them.
People do not understand the American psyche. They think we are weak and unwilling to suffer casualties etc. That we are UNABLE to respond. That simply is not the case.
Perhaps I've read to many Clancy books (this is right out of Debt of Honor), but these people are dead already. They just don't know it yet.
I'm talking invasion here. Not a bombing. I'm talking troops on the ground.
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AugustWest - Sep 11, 2001 3:28 pm (#22182 of 209412)
where's RU?

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LunaFreak - Sep 11, 2001 3:33 pm (#22183 of 209412)
Fuck invasions. Let's just carpet-bomb the West Bank.
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puterbac - Sep 11, 2001 3:33 pm (#22184 of 209412)
Newt Gingrich just made a great speech on Fox.
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CardiNole - Sep 11, 2001 3:34 pm (#22185 of 209412)
You mean, where does he live? I believe he's in Williamsburg.
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madthug - Sep 11, 2001 3:35 pm (#22186 of 209412)
The United States is at DEFCON 2
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puterbac - Sep 11, 2001 3:35 pm (#22187 of 209412)
He was probably evacuated.
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billy bob bocephus - Sep 11, 2001 3:35 pm (#22188 of 209412)
I have not been able to connect to any of the news .coms - currently have BBC world net on - it is interesting to hear the 'foreign' slant - the first expressions were being totally appalled and outraged - then the 'analysis' set in - most initial reactions were that the US was ripe for this type of action due to lax security in respect to the rest of the world - then came the 'discussions' on possible US retaliations/reactions and the expressed fears that the US might strike 'irrationally' - the latest ruminations concern the apparent lack of adequate intelligence to forestall this type of attack...
just after I typed this I lost the BBC connection
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Entropy - Sep 11, 2001 3:35 pm (#22189 of 209412)
Mike..
I agree...
In fact, I think George should flat out say we are at war w/ you.. and we will level your country... FUCK the UN.. FUCK what others think..
You mess w/ us, we will wipe you off the earth.. btw.. United just confirmed crash near pittsburg..
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puterbac - Sep 11, 2001 3:36 pm (#22190 of 209412)
Nuke China while we're at it. Stop them before they get started.
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AugustWest - Sep 11, 2001 3:38 pm (#22191 of 209412)
just surprised we have not heard from him yet. hope he wasnt in New York
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Clashmore Mike - Sep 11, 2001 3:40 pm (#22192 of 209412)
Page back a few, Rufus was on after the attacks. He was supposed to be in DC today, but I believe he is in Williamsburg.
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CardiNole - Sep 11, 2001 3:41 pm (#22193 of 209412)
He was on earlier, augie. He mentioned that he did was supposed to go to DC on business this morning, but did not.
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AugustWest - Sep 11, 2001 3:42 pm (#22194 of 209412)
ok I missed it. thanks.
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the green man - Sep 11, 2001 3:42 pm (#22195 of 209412)
Count one tree hugger in for drawing and quartering the responsible parties on the White House lawn.
Seriously, though, who do you hit at this point? It's not like Pearl Harbor where you have a country to go fight. If it's Bin Laden they have been looking for his ass for years anyway.
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VolKev - Sep 11, 2001 3:42 pm (#22196 of 209412)
cnnsi.com has coverage and is accessible, in case there are still folks trying to get web news.
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puterbac · Post by **puterbac** » Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:13 pm

puterbac - Sep 11, 2001 3:44 pm (#22197 of 209412)
The only way these people survive is they have STATE support. Without that state support the cannot exist. The time has come to declare war on EVERY country that harbors and supports terrorists. Without the help of the nation state terrorists could not operate at all. They are at war with us. Its time to end this bullshit.
The Taliban need to make their peace with God. As does Iran/Iraq/NK/Sudan/Syria/Jordan and anybody else I left off. Arrest Arafat and hang his ass.
Israel just became a much stronger ally.
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Clashmore Mike - Sep 11, 2001 3:44 pm (#22198 of 209412)
I wonder what the BBC consders irrational? Actually, never mind. Other's opinions are not relevent. It has been American blood spilled on this day, and it will be Americans who determine the reaction to this event.
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puterbac - Sep 11, 2001 3:46 pm (#22199 of 209412)
Amen Clash.
TC, where the HELL have you been?
>>Seriously, though, who do you hit at this point? It's not like Pearl Harbor where you have a country to go fight. If it's Bin Laden they have been looking for his ass for years anyway.<<<
Not true. Bin Laden exists because the Taliban and other govts ALLOW him to. Without that support he would have nowhere to hide.
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Op Ed - Sep 11, 2001 3:46 pm (#22200 of 209412)
Bullseye Puterbac!
The BBC, it didn't happen to them.
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VolKev - Sep 11, 2001 3:47 pm (#22201 of 209412)
You're right, TC- who do you hit? Although the Palestinians having a street party and giving out candy (just heard that on NBC) sound like a favorite right now...

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puterbac - Sep 11, 2001 3:49 pm (#22202 of 209412)
How about we just napalm that fucking street party!
All we'd be doing is eliminating current and future terrorists.
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IdahoVol - Sep 11, 2001 3:49 pm (#22203 of 209412)
We can't attack every country in the Middle East because we are dependent on their oil. This is the bed we have made...
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the green man - Sep 11, 2001 3:49 pm (#22204 of 209412)
Puter
This is more of a policework matter right now than the military operation it will soon become. I would like to see a concentrated intelligence operation determine the people behind it (who will most likely be the countries you named) and strike with all necessary force. Just wish we hadn't recently given about $40 million in aid to the Taliban for their part on the war on drugs.

Jungle Rat · Post by **Jungle Rat** » Sun Sep 11, 2022 10:16 pm

Tree · Post by **Tree** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:07 pm

Just realized the original namesake of this thread posted here for the first time I have seen in 5 years being here. 911 was a horrific terrorist attack, but it was a response to what we had been doing to poor folks around the world for years before that. Missiles, bombs, drones all obliterating civilians and enemy combatants alike in countries that were not imminent threats but who needed to be brought to heel in the name of our imperial march.

They showed us a little bit of what we were doing to them. But did it wake us up? We had a chance at that point to go around the world on a mission of diplomacy and peace, uniting anyone who wanted to coexist, rich and poor countries alike. Entire planet could have undergone a paradigm shift right then and there. What did we do instead? Doubled down on our industrial slaughter of brown folks, upped the ante with torture and offshore penal colonies that didn't know the meaning of due process or human rights. We lost 3000 in the worst terror attack ever on US soil, and conversely killed probably a million civilians in the years before and after in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia, Bosnia, Pakistan, etc. In the end the dark underbelly of an ignorant nationalism, fueled by the refusal to acknowledge the blood on our own hands is what 911 brought us.

Jungle Rat · Post by **Jungle Rat** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:21 pm

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