Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

[Toemeesleather]

What's the fallback on the Mueller report?

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What's the fallback on the Mueller report?

Can't indict a sitting president. Also see case re: People v. Michael Cohen (special reference to unindicted co-conspirator "Individual 1")

[Toemeesleather]

The lack of surprising or even new developments are major strikes against them. They have the burden of proving their hatred for President Trump is based on something other than resentment over his election or his tweets. That should be a fairly low bar, but they couldn’t get over it.

[Jungle Rat]

That's funny

[Professor Tiger]

Lots of second hand info, and none of it was new. It looked like a bunch of senior diplomats who were incensed that POTUS is in charge of US diplomacy and not them.

[hedge]

Not for much longer...

[bluetick]

worth the read imo
The President's Fans Think He'd 'Operate More Effectively' Without Congress or the Courts
Jack Holmes,Esquire https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/presid ... 00495.html

The percentage of Republicans who think it would be too risky to give presidents more power has sunk from 70 to 51 percent in a year. Since 2016, that number has fallen 31 points. The share of people polled who say presidents could operate more "effectively" if he did not have to worry about Congress or the courts is up 16 percent in a single year, to 43 percent. This poll is from this summer, before the impeachment inquiry began in earnest. Where are the numbers now? In a poll last week, 53 percent of Republicans said Trump is a better president than Abraham Lincoln.

It's hard to deny what's happening here: the support for concentrating federal power in one person is building. Some people don't seem too concerned about checks and balances. There is a partisan fluctuation at play: under Obama in 2016, the first year listed in this particular study, 66 percent of Democrats thought granting the president more power was too risky. 82 percent think so now. But among the president's base, right now, the hunger is growing for a slide towards dictatorship—something for which there's been anecdotal evidence for some time.

In February of 2017, Esquire sent a reporter to a Trump rally in Florida, and one die-hard MAGA-type in attendance explained, simply and with no little pride, that he would embrace a Trumpian dictatorship: "I don't care what he does," Bill Moro told Jeb Lund. "I'm behind him 100 percent. Put it this way: If he became a dictator, and they said, 'We want him in forever,' he's my man. He's in. I'll never vote against him ... I love his power ... It's the power that does something to me."

That last part speaks to a whole other side of this, one that seems inseparable from the growing embrace of Russian interference in American elections for Republican benefit. For the party's base, the shrinking white majority is Real America, and anything that maintains their grip on power is justifiable. Anything that keeps The Others out of power can be explained away.

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cont.
Presidents from both parties have continually expanded executive power for decades, and President Obama was a prime example. He increasingly turned to executive orders in response to Rep. McConnell's scorched-earth tactics in the Senate, which in many cases served to thwart the popular will for the benefit of the narrow donor constituency McConnell truly serves. As a former professor of constitutional law, Obama was perhaps best placed to grasp there would be ramifications to this. Many men throughout history have convinced themselves they are justified in running roughshod over the institutions of democracy because they are seeking to realize the popular will or establish justice. When you've got four or eight years to cement your life's legacy, it must be near impossible to sit idly by while your entire agenda is cynically sunk.

In Trump's case, it's unlikely he even thinks in those terms. He does what he needs to do to survive and grift a little more cash. His transgressions against democratic norms and the Constitution dwarf Obama's by many orders of magnitude. In the process, he has trampled so much of what we took for granted in our democracy that it will be hard to dig it all out of the mud and hose it off before someone else comes along to trample it all some more. One lesson of the Roman republic's fall is that politicians learn from what previous politicians did. They saw what they could get away with, and how they could do it smarter. What will the next guy have learned from what Donald Trump was able to get away with? And how primed will their supporters be by then for a new order of things, where The Leader makes policy and everyone else follows it?

[hedge]

"In a poll last week, 53 percent of Republicans said Trump is a better president than Abraham Lincoln."

Well duh, Lincoln freed the slaves...

[aTm]

"Better" as in "history book better?" Thats laughable. Better in real terms is probably actually debatable. For example, I still gotta pretty good feeling that 3% of the country's population wont be killed off during Trumps presidency.

[hedge]

Unfortunately...

[Tree]

Why is it okay for the capitalist class to fabricate labor but not for the labor class to fabricate capital? Because they tell us one is okay and the other isn't? Both distort the supply/demand of labor in exactly the same way.

[hedge]

What do you mean by fabricate?

[Jungle Rat]

Look it up idiot

[10ac]

[Professor Tiger]

LMAO!

[hedge]

2 posts in here in 2020 so far. Burn this shithole...

[Jungle Rat]

::: locks hedge in :::

Ok

[10ac]

B

[Professor Tiger]

A