The Goat Pen

I don't think the police nor the government has all that much to do with anything. I think society and culture fluctuate and change organically according to many factors that can't be quantified and then politicians jump in and take credit (but rarely blame). But all that bluster is really just an example of wag the dog. It's happened over and over again, from Prohibition to civil rights to gay rights to marijuana laws to you name it. The culture changes and then the politicians put their stamp of approval on it, but they didn't originate it and in many cases opposed it for decades until they couldn't oppose it any longer (pick your example). They are not leaders, they are followers...

yea, its cyclical. People just decided they didn't want to keep killing in New York

Like I said, there are many factors, mostly unquantifiable , but I understand that you need simple answers and direct cause and effect "explanations" for why things happen or else your head will explode, but life doesn't work like that...

most un-quantifiable or relevant

I guess it comes down to which would you want to live/visit. A bankrupt, violent, mob runNed trash heap under Dinkins/Koch/DeBlasio, or a safer, cleaner, lawful city under Giuliani/Bloomberg.

I know which one Hedge would want to live in, but I’m talking normal sane people.

Freakonomics says that Roe V Wade contributed to the decrease in crime as well.

But I would be called a racist to explain why beyond that.

Anti-vaccine mom takes her immuno-compromised 17 year old daughter to a church sponsored covid "party," when she got the covid (duh) mom gave her all sorts of home remedies, including hydroxychloroquine. Long story short, she dead...

https://floridacovidvictims.com/2020/07 ... igh-davis/

This doctor says he has the cure and its cheap

you only need to watch the first 6 minutes or so, later on he explains why this treatment makes a vaccine unnecessary.



I can't find any link that says he is a quack

here is an article that calls it into question

https://www.chron.com/news/article/Wils ... 390142.php

Bethel, Ohio bikers take stand for America.....


https://twitter.com/i/events/1280298781318115328

hedge wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 7:36 am Anti-vaccine mom takes her immuno-compromised 17 year old daughter to a church sponsored covid "party," when she got the covid (duh) mom gave her all sorts of home remedies, including hydroxychloroquine. Long story short, she dead...

https://floridacovidvictims.com/2020/07 ... igh-davis/

Some people claim that whether or not a person is likely to get severe symptoms is related to the whether theyve had the MMR vaccination.

crotch wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:25 am Bethel, Ohio bikers take stand for America.....


https://twitter.com/i/events/1280298781318115328

I've mentioned it before but I have land just outside Bethel. If I lived on it, Bethel is where I'd shop for groceries

"This doctor says he has the cure and its cheap"

"here is an article that calls it into question"

Why did you lie, eCat? And maybe even more importantly, why did you call yourself out for lying??

I really, really want this covid bullshit to be over

a vaccine is far off, but an effective treatment so its not lethal or requires hospitalization could be days away if they find the right people.

Hard to believe that with the entire world dealing with this, there isn't a treatment that marginalizes this within hours of administering it.

I just got a $9K bill from the hospital for an emergency room visit- well notification from my insurance company they submitted a bill for $9K anyways. Looks like I am going to pay my deductible for the year.

gotdam

What happened?

Donald Trump said last week’s jobs report, which showed an uptick in June, proves the economy is “roaring back.”

Rubbish. The Labor Department gathered the data during the week of June 12, when America was reporting 25,000 new cases of COVID-19 per day. By the time the report was issued last week, that figure was 55,000.

The economy isn’t roaring back. Just over half of working-age Americans have jobs now, the lowest ratio in over 70 years. What’s roaring back is COVID-19. Until it’s tamed, the economy doesn’t stand a chance. The surge in cases isn’t because America is doing more tests for the virus, as Mr. Trump contends. Cases are rising even where testing is declining. In Wisconsin, cases soared 28% over the last two weeks of June as the number of tests decreased by 14%. Hospitals in Texas, Florida and Arizona are filling up with COVID-19 patients. Deaths are expected to resume their gruesome ascent.

The surge is occurring because America reopened before COVID-19 was contained.

Mr. Trump was so intent on having a good economy by Election Day that he resisted doing what was necessary to contain the virus. He left everything to governors and local officials, then warned that the “cure” of closing the economy was “worse than the disease.” Mr. Trump even called on citizens to “liberate” their states from public health restrictions.

Yet he still has no national plan for testing, contact tracing and isolating people with infections. Mr. Trump won’t even ask Americans to wear masks. Last week, Democrats accused him of sitting on nearly $14 billion in funds for testing and contact tracing that Congress appropriated in April.

It would be one thing if every other rich nation in the world botched it as badly as has America. But even Italy — not always known for the effectiveness of its leaders or the pliability of its citizens — has contained the virus and is reopening without a resurgence.

There was never a conflict between containing COVID-19 and getting the economy back on track. The first was always a prerequisite to the second. By doing nothing to contain the virus, Mr. Trump has not only caused tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths but has put the economy into a stall.

-The Baltimore Sun 7/7/2020

















The surge is occurring because America reopened before COVID-19 was contained.

hedge wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:44 pmWhat happened?

believe it or not I got amnesia for about 8 hours