The Goat Pen

hedge wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:53 pm I agree that a rookie in that situation wouldn't push back after being told to basically STFU. But if everything you said is correct, he'll probably get off...

Just imagine what the story would be if all this hadn't been caught on camera? Being an actual death, it obviously would've been found out and reported, but I'm pretty sure the official story would've been much different than what the video showed. Truth be told, cops don't really kill that many people, certainly not many unarmed people (I know, I know, one is too many, blahblahblah), but I'm sure they are way overly aggressive in many cases that never get reported. Not sure what can be done about it. I also believe that for the most part, most cops do their jobs correctly and don't harass folks needlessly, but the ones that do make it bad for all of them. I'd say the same thing is probably true for the vast majority of these protesters, but you keep seeing the same clip over and over of somebody breaking windows or looting a store and so you think it's happening all over the place everywhere...

the heart of the issue is George Floyd resisting arrest. Why did he? probably because he knew that once he was in the back of that patrol car he was just another statistic in a system. As a black felon he wasn't going to get the benefit of the doubt in a downtown Minneapolis police precinct telling his story as to how he came into possession of a counterfeit $20 bill. At some level he believed he was not going to get the same chance someone like me would have received to walk out a free man at the end of the day.

What those cops did was bad, but as I said, they've probably done it 20-30 times before in some variation where the accused sat up, was loaded into the prisoner transport and they went on about their day. In this case, the accused died, partly because of his health, fentanyl in his system and in large part because unsympathetic officers ignored his pleas for help after resisting arrest.

I don't know if you can stop a George Floyd from resisting arrest, but I don't see systemic racism in him being held down. I see racism in his knowing that once he's arrested, the chances of him getting the same justice as me doesn't happen. At the same time, if I were to say, slit the throat of my ex wife and her lover, I would not be able to hire a dream team of lawyers to get away with it. Justice is relative for all of us as it relates to our lot in life, police procedures, I suspect are pretty constant. I mean, if anyone has watched COPS on tv for any length of time, you know that resisting arrest is going to result at some point with the knee in the back of the neck. I bet if you saved the history of posting on here, you would have seen us making jokes about it. Its why "seasoned" criminals know to take the prone position once they know arrest is inevitable because if a cop has to tell you to get down, put your hands behind your head, etc, then there is going to be a knee to the neck at some point.

IMO, justice isn't about whether George Floyd deserves getting a knee on his neck, justice should be about George Floyd knowing that him passing a counterfeit $20 results in the same prosecution as anyone else.

Now that said, the rookie cop was the one who initially put the cuffs on Floyd. Perhaps a veteran cop like Chauvin would have determined they have bigger issues than a guy trying to pass a $20 at the local quickie mart, but since the rookie didn't have the ability to make a judgement call like that he initiated a situation that Chauvin had to deal with.

Double standard.....Media bias.....

Bill didn't gas his own citizens to get that photo op. Jesus crotch. Shut up.

Bill actually attended the church service and was waving while he walked out, you old fart.

Also, Rat, in all seriousness, good for you. I know someone shouldn't be commended for doing what is right, but you imparted a set of actual values and a sense of awareness on your children. People "teach" their children every day, but people teach their children to be scared robots who don't voice their opinions.

E, I see where you are coming from in all of this, but you're just wrong in a lot of ways. I work in the system. I don't deal with the completely downtrodden, but I deal with folks down on their luck quite a bit. I see firsthand the systemic racism that stymies progress, and admittedly, I see the stupid choices people make stymying individual -- and to a degree, group -- progress. However, I believe a lot of that is attributable to systemic issues.

In the end, I believe society needs this. It was about time for societal upheaval. We were due...

will you still believe society needed this if Antifa comes to your neighborhood and steals your shit?

No comments from the peanut gallery about Gen. Mattis's sass of Trump? The man has been a genuine lifelong war hero and genuine hardass, but now that he's dared question the Dear Leader, he's trash...

eCat wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:12 pm will you still believe society needed this if Antifa comes to your neighborhood and steals your shit?

Yeah, I'm shaking in my boots at the thought of that happening. It consumes my every waking moment. From what I've seen of these so-called antifa clowns, one of the prerequisites for membership is that you can't weigh over 120 lbs. and you've got to be able to fit into jeans that I couldn't fit my arm in. Real terrifying crowd...

From the National Review- The Institutional Racism Candard.......

there were 7,407 black homicide victims in the United States in 2018, the last year for which final numbers are available. Assuming a comparable number in 2019, the nine unarmed men killed in police shootings would represent just 0.1 percent of black homicides.

thus, a police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer.

The media, the bipartisan political class, the academy, and the commentariat concoct their “systemic,” “institutional,” “unconscious” racism fiction by statistical tunnel vision: We must conclude that African Americans — in particular, young black men — are being targeted by police because the percentage of killings of blacks significantly overrepresents the black population. It makes no sense, however, to look only at the percentage of blacks involved in police shootings, as if it were the only attribute that mattered — as if it were the only attribute by which blacks are overrepresented compared to their percentage of the overall population.

While African Americans are involved in two times more police shootings than their percentage of the population would seem to warrant, they commit 53 percent of murders and 60 percent of robberies — well over four times their percentage of the population. The political establishment would have you assume this statistical disparity is caused by institutional racism that myopically beams police attention onto black men. But we know the statistics accurately reflect reality because crimes get reported by victims — a large percentage of whom are black (also outstripping their share of the overall population).

The most dangerous threat to the African-American community in America is not cops. It is liberals. The United States is not institutionally racist. The political system, the criminal-justice system, and academe overflow with political progressives. The notion that they would tolerate racism in their institutions would be laughable if sensible people were encouraged to think about it rather than mindlessly accept it. Nor could we conceivably be “unconsciously” racist. Let’s put aside that to discriminate is to choose, and that, where it exists, racial discrimination is a conscious state of mind. The reality is that our institutions of opinion are so obsessively racialist, no one in America has the luxury of being unconscious about racism.

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hedge wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:12 pm

eCat wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:12 pm will you still believe society needed this if Antifa comes to your neighborhood and steals your shit?

Yeah, I'm shaking in my boots at the thought of that happening. It consumes my every waking moment. From what I've seen of these so-called antifa clowns, one of the prerequisites for membership is that you can't weigh over 120 lbs. and you've got to be able to fit into jeans that I couldn't fit my arm in. Real terrifying crowd...

two days ago you were posting "we are legion" horseshit on here, but that doesn't change the sentiment, if this "cleansing" was needed, are you ok with it being in your neighborhood?

hedge wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:12 pm No comments from the peanut gallery about Gen. Mattis's sass of Trump? The man has been a genuine lifelong war hero and genuine hardass, but now that he's dared question the Dear Leader, he's trash...

yea, he's not butthurt at all , Trump fired him because he wanted to continue to escalate the war in Syria so Mattis is doing his best Colonel Jessup "all you did here was weaken a nation" routine

Minneapolis city council members looking into disbanding police and let communities police themselves.

http://www.citypages.com/news/minneapol ... /570993291

eCat wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:12 pm will you still believe society needed this if Antifa comes to your neighborhood and steals your shit?

hedge wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:12 pm No comments from the peanut gallery about Gen. Mattis's sass of Trump? The man has been a genuine lifelong war hero and genuine hardass, but now that he's dared question the Dear Leader, he's trash...

Love it. It's being noticed.

Thanks DS. I've never taught my kids to hide.

Why does e hate America?

eCat wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:12 pm will you still believe society needed this if Antifa comes to your neighborhood and steals your shit?

Yes. The fact that something is needed does not mean assholes will refrain from trying to take advantage of a situation.

"yea, he's not butthurt at all , Trump fired him because he wanted to continue to escalate the war in Syria so Mattis is doing his best Colonel Jessup "all you did here was weaken a nation" routine"

You love Colonel Jessup. And Trump didn't fire him, he resigned...