The Goat Pen

Video killed the radio star.

aTm wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 8:55 am “People are going to die regardless” wasn’t really a fatalistic generic statement. What I meant was that the objective of stopping the disease throughout the population by shutting down the economy has failed.

A quaint oversimplification. “Did we completely fix everything by shutting down for a few months? No? Well hell that plan was a loser. Why not let’s go the other way. Just open’er up wide and see wut happens, huh?”

Look I get that you place a higher value on economy vs human life than me and that’s fine. There are no absolute right and wrongs here. But if you open things up too far and melt the healthcare services infrastructure like a steel beam during 911 you’re going to cause way more destruction and mayhem in the long run.

Trump got his 1st classified briefing on the virus on January 3rd. He ignored warnings from experts and his own appointees. He squandered 10 weeks of preparation before he declared a national emergency on March 13th. His pronouncements during those weeks will reverberate throughout history (my favorite - "dem and media HOAX"). He briefly took the mantle of leadership as "war-time president" and got some serious TV time. But the numbers grew more grim, so he washed his hands of the pandemic, declared the federal government was a "back-up", and turned the crisis over to the governors. Governors who weren't privy to the Jan. classified briefings, btw.

Arguably the worst example of presidential leadership in American history.

Breitbart, InfoWars, Gateway Pundit....would they last 5 minutes without 203? Somebody better tap Donnie on the shoulder...

bluetick wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 8:03 am Trump got his 1st classified briefing on the virus on January 3rd. He ignored warnings from experts and his own appointees. He squandered 10 weeks of preparation before he declared a national emergency on March 13th. His pronouncements during those weeks will reverberate throughout history (my favorite - "dem and media HOAX"). He briefly took the mantle of leadership as "war-time president" and got some serious TV time. But the numbers grew more grim, so he washed his hands of the pandemic, declared the federal government was a "back-up", and turned the crisis over to the governors. Governors who weren't privy to the Jan. classified briefings, btw.

Arguably the worst example of presidential leadership in American history.

see you lose credibility when you say stuff like him calling it a hoax. go research the context. or not

but either way, when you base your argument on something that is a talking point narrative that is wrong, then whatever point you're trying to make is lost

I've been guilty of that too, and I'd like to think that I've learned from it.

And as I've said, had Trump taken the actions you think he should have taken in January or February, the democrats would have lost their minds with him. Schumer, Pelosi, DeBlasio and Biden called him Xenophobic for curtailing air travel from China - and I'm certain all 4 of them were fully aware of the risks of the pandemic at that point.

To talk about what he should have done, when you and the leadership you support were adamantly against it is just hypocrisy at its highest

You're projecting something you don't know.

The events of the last few days have shown the reason for the 2nd Amendment.

What a fucking bunch of shit. January 3? Can I get a list of all the nations that stopped this pandemic in its tracks based on information from briefings on January 3? The date January 3rd as the date Trump should have started doing something is patently absurd. January 3rd was the day we killed Solemeini (which seems like 5 years ago). We were "on the brink of World War 3!"

Here's a social media post from the WHO from....January 4.

Tree wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 10:58 pm
A quaint oversimplification. “Did we completely fix everything by shutting down for a few months? No? Well hell that plan was a loser. Why not let’s go the other way. Just open’er up wide and see wut happens, huh?”

Look I get that you place a higher value on economy vs human life than me and that’s fine. There are no absolute right and wrongs here. But if you open things up too far and melt the healthcare services infrastructure like a steel beam during 911 you’re going to cause way more destruction and mayhem in the long run.

Our healthcare services infrastructure here in Texas could probably be considered to be melting like a steel beam during 911, but it has nothing to with people being sick from COVID-19

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/hea ... surgeries/

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/hea ... gh-others/

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/h ... oyees.html

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/f ... id-19.html

sardis wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 11:31 am The events of the last few days have shown the reason for the 2nd Amendment.

until people learn the difference between protesting and using an injustice as an opportunity to burn and loot, they'll never see the change they hope for. They are just validating the police's approach and indifference to their circumstances.

also, as a result of this , Minneapolis is going to lose population. It was probably losing it already after the massive influx of Somalians, but at any rate - the city will begin an accelerated decline that will only result in more crime and less police tolerance (and unfortunately presence).

'But my job in the end is to prove he violated a criminal statute - but there is other evidence that does not support a criminal charge.'

Freeman pleaded for patience from the Minneapolis community ravaged by Floyd's death as he warned that the investigation 'can't be rushed' for fear of a repeat of the Freddie Gray case in 2015 where all charges were dropped against cops involved in the black man's death.

Welp, sounds like the stage is already being set for nationwide BLM protests and their corresponding but only tangentially related disaster...communist rioting.

yea,

but I also heard him or someone else say - and I"m paraphrasing a bit - "I asking you to give me time to investigate this so you can get justice"

when you phrase it like that, you may be buying time but you're adding fuel to the fire.

Seems they have arrested him now.

aTm wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 11:44 am What a fucking bunch of shit. January 3? Can I get a list of all the nations that stopped this pandemic in its tracks based on information from briefings on January 3? The date January 3rd as the date Trump should have started doing something is patently absurd. January 3rd was the day we killed Solemeini (which seems like 5 years ago). We were "on the brink of World War 3!"

Here's a social media post from the WHO from....January 4.

Ouch! Looks as if someone just got schooled. Smokey is clueless.

wow.....


Before George Floyd died in police custody this week, triggering destructive riots as large crowds protested in Minneapolis, the city's mayor, Jacob Frey, warned that allowing 25 percent capacity in churches would be "a recipe in Minneapolis for a public health disaster" due to the coronavirus.

Now, as his city is overwhelmed by crowds causing property damage and clashing with police, Frey's own government said that it is giving out masks to the rioters -- even though the state has prohibited gatherings of 10 or more people because of the pandemic.

The comments Frey made came Monday on "CNN Newsroom" as the mayor discussed Gov. Tim Walz's plan to allow the limited reopening of churches amid the coronavirus pandemic with host John King. Frey alluded to King that he may flout the governor's guidance -- which would allow churches to operate at 25 percent capacity with no more than 250 people whether indoors or outdoors -- because he said it may put the people of his city in danger.

"I support our governor, I think he's doing a tremendous job and he's looking out for the entire state of Minnesota, whereas I'm looking out for the unique characteristics associated with the city of Minneapolis," Frey said. "Moving up to 25 percent capacity and up to 250 people in places of worship is a recipe in Minneapolis for a public health disaster."

"The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death."


----thats going to make things interesting

You gotta see this. Is he a cop? Hmmmmm

sardis wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 11:31 am The events of the last few days have shown the reason for the 2nd Amendment.

Amen.



I don't blame the protesters being outraged by the Minneapolis cops. They have every reason to be. That was flat out murder.

I never got the idea of taking your legitimate anger at bad cops, and venting it by attacking innocent bystanders and looting/burning businesses. I never understood that at all.

There's a big protest going on in downtown Atlanta right now. Thankfully, the protest has been mostly peaceful, probably because the ATL city government and police are overwhelmingly black. The only destruction of property is at the CNN headquarters, where they are trashing the big CNN sign. That is ironic beyond belief. That would be like 2A protesters attacking the FOX building. I can only imagine what the CNN people inside are thinking right now.

Well, the Atlanta protest WAS peaceful...

eCat wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 3:58 pm "The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death."


----thats going to make things interesting

Marked down for Covid.