The Goat Pen

Facts have proof.

Hillary-Russia collusion have lots of that.

Hillary rigging and hacking elections has lots of that too.

Trump-Russia collusion and fake news don’t have that.

It’s kind of obvious.

I'm a tad skeptical that you have any idea what facts and proof exist on this thing.

Okay, let’s do a little experiment: please post empirical proof (FYI that means proof that can be perceived by human senses), that Trump colluded with Russia. And it must exist now, not in some future date to be named later.

The proof must be of similar tangibility as Nixon’s Oval Office audiotapes, or Clinton’s semen stained dress. No theories, no hypotheses, no inferences, no “six degrees of Kevin Bacon” games, and no “it would appear that” nonsense. Your proof must have molecules.

Ready, set, go...

Here is another text by senior FBI official and sometime Hillary legal defense team contributor Peter Strzok discussing how best to deal with a then-hypothetical, and clearly to his mind unacceptable, Trump victory:

8-15-2017

I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy’s office — that there’s no way [Trump] gets elected — but I’m afraid we can’t take that risk, It’s like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you’re 40.

I wonder; what was that "insurance policy" he was referring to?

RIP Tommy. A man's man.

"04/09/2016

Strzok – This is clear and utter bias by the media specifically the NY TIMES, WAPO, and CNN who if you look at all of them have large donors for Clinton.

Strzok – The fact citing source they used is owned by a newspaper which publicly endorsed Clinton."

This looks like he's against Clinton also. Maybe he's just a swamp drainer...

Idiots in Miami....building condos that will no doubt flood within a few years.....WAKE UP people.

I wish you would never wake up again...

Toemeesleather wrote:RIP Tommy. A man's man.

Amen. I still have his autograph from the 60’s.

Toemeesleather wrote:Idiots in Miami....building condos that will no doubt flood within a few years.....WAKE UP people.

Along those lines....

Report to Congress on Coast Guard Icebreaker Program

A Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Mission Need Statement (MNS) approved in June 2013 states that “current requirements and future projections … indicate the Coast Guard will need to expand its icebreaking capacity, potentially requiring a fleet of up to six icebreakers (3 heavy and 3 medium) to adequately meet mission demands in the high latitudes….”

https://news.usni.org/2017/12/13/report ... er-program

Why does the Coast Guard want to build more icebreakers? Don't they know the polar ice caps have melted already? Al Gore said so!

Your ignorance is astonishing...

And this came out before they drug Omarosa kicking and screaming out of the WH.
32% Trump Approval Rating "Disasterous" http://theweek.com/speedreads/743234/ne ... -panicking

OMG - well over 2/3rds of the country is biased against the president (and nearly all of the FBI). Shazaam!

hedge wrote:You've got a real team coming up on Sunday...

Our "checker-the-arena-orange-and-white" game. Don't adjust your set...

Amen. Testify.

bluetick wrote:32% Trump Approval Rating "Disasterous" http://theweek.com/speedreads/743234/ne ... -panicking

OMG - well over 2/3rds of the country is biased against the president (and nearly all of the FBI). Shazaam!

Another poll, by a longtime Clintonista, and Harvard:

Mueller, FBI face crisis in public confidence

Sixty-three percent of polled voters believe that the FBI has been resisting providing information to Congress on the Clinton and Trump investigations.

Fifty-four percent say special counsel Robert Mueller has conflicts of interest that prevent him from doing an unbiased job, also according to this month’s Harvard CAPS-Harris Poll.

http://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content ... s-Tabs.pdf

Clearly these numbers indicate that there is a crisis in public confidence in both the FBI and Mueller. What makes these findings important is that, with Trump’s approval rating at 41 percent, these results include large numbers of voters who don’t like Trump yet who now agree that these investigations have veered off course.

After this poll was conducted, we learned that rogue agent Peter Strzok and his paramour, Lisa Page, both high-ranking members of the Mueller task force, discussed during the campaign how, in case Trump won, that they were developing, along with deputy FBI director Andrew McCabe, what Strzok called an “insurance policy.” I can’t even imagine how badly these new facts will poll next month.

Our polling in November showed that 61 percent say the funding of the salacious GPS Fusion document should be investigated. Fifty-eight percent say that if Hillary Clinton and the Democrats funded the work, it could not be used by law enforcement.

Even greater numbers — 65 percent — said there needs to be an investigation of the Uranium One deal that netted the Clinton Foundation $140 million in foreign-based contributions that went undisclosed.

Mark Penn is co-director of the Harvard CAPS-Harris Poll and was a pollster for Bill Clinton during six years of his presidency.

http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/36 ... confidence

Current list of liberal Democrats who got caught grabbing, groping, feeling, spanking, sexting, drugging, pleasuring themselves in front of, or outright raping women, UPDATED:

Political bracket:
JFK - President of the United States
Ted Kennedy - Senate Majority Leader of the United States
Wilbur Mills - US Congressman
Gerry Studds - US Congressman
Bill Clinton - President of the United States
Anthony Wiener - US Congressman
John Conyers, US Congressman
NEW ADDITION: Ruben Kihuen - US Congressman

Media bracket:
Bill Cosby - comedian, actor, musician, and author.
Al Franken (an actor at the time)
Louis CK - Comedian and Producer
Ed Westwick - Actor
David Guillod - Co-chief executive of Primary Wave Entertainment agency
Brett Ratner - Producer and director
Kirt Webster - Music publicist
Andy Dick (That's apparently his real name) - Actor
Michael Oreskes - Head of news at NPR and former New York Times editor
Hamilton Fish - President and publisher of The New Republic
Kevin Spacey - Actor (this one was into dudes, not women, but whatever...)
Ken Baker - E! News correspondent
Mark Halperin - NBC News and MSNBC contributor, author of "Game Change"
Rick Najera - Director of CBS's Diversity Showcase
Knight Landesman - Publisher of Artforum
Leon Wieseltier - former editor at The New Republic
Terry Richardson - fashion photographer
James Toback - drector and writer
John Besh - chief executive of the Besh Restaurant Group
Lockhart Steele - editorial director of Vox Media
Robert Scoble - tech blogger and co-founder of the Transformation Group
Chris Savino - creator and showrunner of “The Loud House”
Roy Price - head of Amazon Studios
Andy Signore - senior vice president of content for Defy Media
Harvey Weinstein - producer and co-founder of the Weinstein Company
Charlie Rose - PBS journalist and TV talk show host
Garrison Keillor - author, storyteller, humorist, voice actor, and radio personality
Matt Lauer - television journalist. He was host of The Today Show from 1997 to 2017 and a contributor for Dateline NBC.
NEW ADDITION: Tavis Smiley - PBS talk show host and author.
NEW ADDITION: Morgan Spurlock - documentary filmmaker

There was a time when PT, as a libertarian and self-appointed arbiter in these parts, would also offer up a similar list of republican transgressors. Sadly, he went full tard for the Trump Party and now his singular focus is to defend his master. Tards will deflect the Access Hollywood/Stern interviews etc as well as the 16 accusers with cries of "everybody does it."

Thing is, 95% of those listed have been dealt some form of justice. :::ahem:::

John Besh is a liberal democrat?

I know he was the son of a fighter pilot and that's one of the reasons he joined the Marine Corps - and John didn't cook in the Marines. He did mortars and other stuff as an infantry squad leader. Saw some action in Kuwait, I believe. I know he was a sergeant when he got out of the USMC after 6 years. I also, know John is an avid hunter, and a believer in the 2nd A; he carries a gun with him everywhere. The internet tells me that he donated some money to some democratic mayoral candidate in New Orleans a few years back. I think most would assume that was just business - as opposed to some confession of ideological alignment with 'liberal democrats'.

In my dozen or so converstions with him, I never, ever got the idea that he was a "liberal democrat". Are we sure about that?

Counterpoint - he was on TV. Take that AA.

I wanna see the list of goatpen members grabbing, groping and fondling women in the past 40 years. Hell, I know im guilty as hell. Just don't tell Hedges mom. She sorta liked me and made good pasta.