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Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:59 am
by Professor Tiger
Yes, but Louisianans will cope with it the way they cope with most adversities: they'll throw a big party.
eCat wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:37 am while throwing shade on Trump for decisions made by his administration regarding pandemic preparation........

Coronavirus is causing working-age people to worry about missing paychecks, caring for kids home from school, stockpiling groceries and canceling plans. But people in their 50s, 60s or older have bigger worries. Many are lying awake wondering if this is how they're going to die.

At its most severe, coronavirus attacks the lungs, making it impossible to breathe without a ventilator. Landing in the hospital on a ventilator is bad. But worse is being told you can't have one. After learning that the state's stockpile of medical equipment had 16,000 fewer ventilators than New Yorkers would need in a severe pandemic, Gov. Andrew Cuomo came to a fork in the road in 2015. He could have chosen to buy more ventilators. Instead, he asked his health commissioner, Howard Zucker to assemble a task force and draft rules for rationing the ventilators they already had.

That task force came up with rules that will be imposed when ventilators run short. Patients assigned a red code will have the highest access, and other patients will be assigned green, yellow or blue (the worst) depending on a "triage officer's" decision. In truth, a death officer. Let's not sugarcoat it. It won't be up to your own doctor.

Cuomo could have purchased the additional 16,000 needed ventilators for $36,000 apiece or a total of $576 million in 2015. It's a lot of money but less than the $750 million he threw away on a boondoggle "Buffalo Billion" solar panel factory. When it comes to state budget priorities, spending half a percent of the budget on ventilators is a no brainer.

Now the pandemic is actually here. Cuomo's grim reaper rules will be applied. New York City's deputy commissioner for disease control Demetre Daskalakis is anticipating "some very serious difficult decisions." So far, in New York City, 1 out of every 4 people with a confirmed case has been hospitalized, and 44% of them have needed a ventilator.

The task force claimed there was no point in buying ventilators because there's also a shortage of doctors and nurses trained to use them. Five years ago, that problem could have been fixed, too. Even now, the National Disaster Medical System can send staff to hot spots like New York.

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“After the swine flu epidemic in 2009, a safety-equipment industry association and a federally sponsored task force both recommended that depleted supplies of N95 respirator masks [...] be replenished by the stockpile.” The problem is that didn’t happen. According to Charles Johnson, president of the International Safety Equipment Association, about 100 million N95 respirator masks were used up during the swine flu pandemic of 2009-2010, but, he said was unaware of any “major effort to restore the stockpile to cover that drawdown.”

In short, even though the Obama administration was advised to replenish the national stockpile of the N95 respirator masks, they didn’t. Despite the fact the media traced the cause of the shortage back to 2009, they accuse Trump of poor planning and trying to deflect responsibility

Buried several paragraphs deep in the aforementioned Bloomberg story we find out that “after the H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009, which triggered a nationwide shortage of masks and caused a 2- to 3-year backlog orders for the N95 variety, the stockpile distributed about three-quarters of its inventory and didn’t build back the supply.”
But it CAN"T be Obama's fault. It MUST be Trump's fault. All of it. Anything else would be racist.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:02 pm
by Jungle Rat
hedge wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:23 am I bet we don't have any shortage of bullets...
It will only take one

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:38 pm
by eCat
I'm all saying is its easy to blame someone for not being prepared for a once in every 100 years pandemic

Obama and Cuomo made the same decisions the current leadership made, that saving a few billion on something that isn't likely to happen is the right move

now its happened and everyone wants to point fingers

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:43 pm
by hedge
I usually only point one finger...

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:04 pm
by Jungle Rat
They are pointing fingers because it's the truth. Why do Republicans always use Obama as an excuse. Take some fucking responsibility for christs sake. Buncha children.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:22 pm
by bluetick
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronav ... res-2020-3

In 2019, the Trump administration held a series of training simulations on a hypothetical pandemic caused by a virus that predicted, with remarkable accuracy, many of the problems and shortfalls currently plaguing the US' response to the novel coronavirus outbreak.

The New York Times reported in an in-depth Thursday feature on the administration's pandemic preparedness is that the war-game style training exercise, which was led by the Department of Health and Human Services and included multiple federal agencies, 12 states, and private stakeholders, simulated a scenario where a respiratory virus dubbed "The Crimson Contagion" rapidly spread through the US.

The so-called Crimson Contagion almost exactly paralleled the novel coronavirus in several respects. It was first identified in China, was characterized by symptoms including fever, and was brought to the US by people who traveled by air. In all, 7.7 million were hospitalized and over half a million Americans died from the Crimson Contagion.

A draft report from the exercises obtained and published by The Times sounded the alarm about several of the issues currently arising in the federal government's messaging and strategy to tackle the novel coronavirus.

The 60-page report noted that the US's response to the hypothetical virus was hampered by a lack of clarity of the chain of command structure and responsibilities between federal agencies, chronic shortages of crucial healthcare equipment and resources, and a lack of coordination between federal, states, and local governments.

"Currently, there are insufficient funding sources designated for the federal government to use in response to a severe influenza pandemic," the report found.

The report of the simulation recounted that "exercise participants lacked clarity on federal interagency partners' roles and responsibilities during an influenza pandemic response," with "HHS' Operating Divisions and Staff Divisions provided inconsistent and inaccurate response guidance and actions to healthcare and public health private sector partners."

The simulation documented some of the exact same scenarios appearing now, including delays and inconsistencies at the state and local levels over school closures, and mandates that most people work from home and practice social distancing, and systemic problems in manufacturing more medical supplies.

The report concluded that given the past history of respiratory viruses like SARS originating in China, HHS believed that federal government stakeholders at all levels should be prepared for a similar pandemic.

As the coronavirus quickly spread across the world from China to Europe and then the United States, Trump himself and other administration figures have publicly given
contradictory information about the severity of the virus itself, the availability of coronavirus testing, and the supply of crucial equipment.

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A 60-page report but, as we all know, the president doesn't like to read. Better to just eliminate the WH Pandemic Office, propose CDC cuts, and make a stronger case for that big, beautiful southern border wall that Mexico will pay for when hell freezes over.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:52 pm
by crotch
......couldn't have said it better.



Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:09 pm
by Jungle Rat
Damn tick. That doesn't surprise me though.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:59 pm
by crotch
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Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:04 pm
by hedge
Damn right...

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:05 pm
by hedge
Of course the repubs are saying the same thing...

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:05 pm
by eCat


the country is in crisis and the dems sink a bill providing relief , rewrite their own and fill it with this, carbon footprint and solar energy support?

I'm not sure they thought that out, no matter what talking points they go to this week to justify it. The Senate had a good faith bi-partisan package put together.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:09 pm
by eCat



Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:11 pm
by eCat


Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:15 pm
by eCat
Finally

You're democratic nominee for president

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:19 pm
by Professor Tiger
Whoever is pushing Joe to keep up this sorry spectacle is guilty of elder abuse. That poor man is special needs, not a serious presidential candidate.

Here are some of the things the Democrats want to put into a bill that is supposed to be about emergency relief for the coronirus:

New tax credits for solar and wind energy·
New emissions standards for airlines and requirement of full offset by 2025
Increased collective bargaining and carve outs for Big Labor·
Required same-day voter registration and early voting·
A bailout for the U.S. Postal Service, for the union pension fund, and for student loans·
Retirement plans for community newspaper employees·
Publication of corporate pay statistics by race and race statistics for all corporate boards·
A requirement for companies receiving assistance to impose $15/minimum wage·
$1B “Cash For Clunkers”-style program where government buys planes from airlines·
$1.5M to study climate change mitigation efforts in civil aviation and aerospace industries·
New OSHA requirements on hospitals·
$1B to build on program expanded by President Obama that provides discounted phone service for low-income consumers

Disgusting. If/when the normal sane people of America find out about this, the Senate Democrats just signed their own political death warrant. OBLIGE THEM. GOP, don't negotiate with these terrorists. Turn this into a series of campaign ads against the Senate Democrats.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:31 pm
by Jungle Rat
It's funny how the Republicans fail to mention to 500 billion slush fund they want to control for corporate bail outs. Hell, Trump won't even answer the question as to if his companies are going to get help. Greedy motherfuckers act like they care about the American public and small businesses. They don't. Not at all.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:50 pm
by Professor Tiger
Run a big ad campaign next week that shows that list of ridiculous leftist utopian pork to the voters of swing states where Democrat congressmen and Senators are up for election. Let the voters decide what they think of it. Then sit back and watch what happens. I don’t think you’ll like the result.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:54 pm
by eCat
well, I can say this made everyone forget about their failed impeachment

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:24 pm
by crotch
Yes indeed!