The Goat Pen

AlabamAlum wrote:

Jungle Rat wrote:More like 5 games. 1 start.

I thought they changed the suspension a number of years back to 10 (2 starts)? Google is failing me, but I remember reading something about it in Baseball Digest.

They might have. Not sure.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/of ... cher_8.jsp

You're right.

Wow, Rat, no one does that on the Internet.


The proper sequence is argue, find out that you're mistaken, then deflect, attack, change the argument, attack, and finish with a triple reverse strawman.

Get it right!

AlabamAlum wrote:Wow, Rat, no one does that on the Internet.


The proper sequence is argue, find out that you're mistaken, then deflect, attack, change the argument, attack, and finish with a triple reverse strawman.

Get it right!

Pussies. In Bob Feller's day, 10 days was 3 starts.

Yep. And they'd pitch injured and half drunk without a second thought.

They were also all fat.

AlabamAlum wrote:Wow, Rat, no one does that on the Internet.


The proper sequence is argue, find out that you're mistaken, then deflect, attack, change the argument, attack, and finish with a triple reverse strawman.

Get it right!

I have honor sir.

AlabamAlum wrote:The Idiocy is strong with this one.

nice

I think taking a bag full of footballs away from the playing field and deflating them with a needle as an organizational employee of the new England pats they need to make it hurt. 2 first round draft picks ought to do it. especially since that organization has been caught cheating before. any other teams besides the pats been caught cheating the since the sweater vest ? hell belichump creates a culture of cheating--filming practices deflating footballs--even coerced a wife into cheating.

Weak.

Brady gets 4 games, Pats lose a #1, a #4 and a million bucks.

Not nearly enough.

It's about what I suspected, and it's way too much. But the commish has to appear "strong". Silly. This is a doctored baseball level infraction and it's been done for decades. If this was an issue, we would regulate game balls tighter as opposed to an intern making 10 bucks an hours holding the bag.

They should have hung him.

AlabamAlum wrote:It's about what I suspected, and it's way too much. But the commish has to appear "strong". Silly. This is a doctored baseball level infraction and it's been done for decades. If this was an issue, we would regulate game balls tighter as opposed to an intern making 10 bucks an hours holding the bag.

If it wasn't a big deal:

1) He would've owned up to it

2) He wouldn't have sandbagged the investigation

3) The Patriots team lawyers would've cooperated fully

4) they wouldn't have hidden the balls and the bags from the head official

To me, the "integrity" standard required the same penalty that Paul Hornung and Alex Karras received. Each bet $50.00 on the Packers to win 1962 NFL Championship Game (as did five other Lions players). The 5 other players were fined $2,000.00 for betting. Karras and Hornung were suspended indefinitely (later reduced to a full season) because they made multiple bets of $50 or $100. Hornung also hung out with "known hoodlums."

I still do not think it was a big deal. By the time it blew up in the media, of course Brady, et al, obfuscated at best and lied at worst.

Kinda like when the plate ump accused Joe Neikro of scuffing balls and made him empty his pockets. They found a file and sandpaper, which Joe said was for his nails and blisters. He laughed about that explanation after he retired.

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Kickers, QBs, and WRs have been messing with ball pressure for decades. We know that. If you played any time at all, you probably witnessed it first hand. Make the refs fill the balls, and don't get them to hand the bag off to some guy paid by the team of you want.

This isn't the first time they have been caught doing something and that is what pisses me off the most.

I hope every team they play this year gives them a hard time about 3 / 4 times a game about checking the balls and checking uniforms. Just do everything in their power to distract them and just give them shit.

Pats fans are now on the list with Yankee, Red Sox, Packer, and Steeler fans as giant whiney ass douchebags.

Well, I'm not a Pats fan, and my Saints got rough treatment for BountyGate. Sean Payton got suspended a whole stinking year because -as head coach- he "should have known" about it.

Still. I'm not a fan of this punishment. I think we've made a giant mountain out of a tiny molehill.

But, whatevs, as the kids say. No skin off my back.

Carry on.

"Make the refs fill the balls, and don't get them to hand the bag off to some guy paid by the team of you want."

That's the crux of the matter to me as well. Like AA said, if it was truly that big a deal, why leave it up to each team to regulate themselves? If they don't (say) let teams bring their own refs to call the games, why are they letting teams handle something like this if it's really that important? Finally, if they're going to let teams handle the inflation of the balls, why even have a pressure range at all? If one QB or organization likes the balls at 11 lbs., and another likes them at 14 lbs, so what? Nobody gets an advantage if everyone is doing what they want. Or rather, if it becomes apparent that a certain range of inflation is "best", then everyone will move to that standard. Why make an arbitrary rule when the market can decide what is best? I should think that model would appeal to the pseudo-libertarians in here, at least...

anything that makes the patriots suffer--I am for

Loved how Kraft at the beginning boasted that that the league would find nothing and his pats would demand an apology.

The only thing that pissed me off is that the fuck head Steelers get a freebie.

Crazy last lap last night.