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Post by eCat » Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:34 pm

While I've never been given the authority, I'm going to put this in TGP's Top 10 All-time posts.
that might be good but I'm gonna go with the day I posted about rubbing my dick with peppermint before my wife gave me a bj.

Those are the kind of topics where I bring it
I like the stinky pinky but only up to the first knuckle, I do not want a GD thumb up there--I've told her multiple times and I always catch her when she tries to pull a fast one---it's my butthole for Chrissakes I'm gonna know--so cut out the BS.

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Post by hedge » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:14 pm

"it won't be even be 50%.

The Ron Paul crowd isn't a Anyone But Obama voter."

I agree. I usually vote dem, am definitely going to vote for Obama if Paul isn't on the ballot (if for no other reason than to piss off all the faux chatroom conservatives out there, but actually that's just a bonus, I'll vote for Obama for better reasons than that). As an Obama supporter, I like Paul even better. To me the definitions of liberal and conservative don't even mean anything as they're used in the bullshit cheerleader (FoxNews, MSNBC) media. I could say I'm extremely liberal socially, but I could also say that all the values I believe in as a social liberal could just as easily be defined as conservatism in Ron Paul's sense - i.e., libertarianism.

Somehow "libertarian" has come to be understood as extreme conservatism, but that's total bullshit. Everything that libertarians believe in for the social sphere, i.e., freedom to do whatever you please as long as you don't hurt anyone else (using drugs, same sex marriage, etc) are much more closely associated with liberal democratic policies than conservative republican policies. A very large vein of so-called small government conservative republicans want to get up into everybody's shit when it comes to almost every hot button social issue that, if you really were a small government conservative, it should be a no-brainer that it's absolutely none of the government's business (certainly not the federal government's).

To make it even more absurd, it's usually issues that only affect a comparatively small number of people (again, the obvious drug/gay marriage issues), but yet they're always willing to go to the mattresses against these "issues" (of course they act as if these "issues" aren't small matters, but rather that the future of western civilization hangs in the balance concerning them). They really care more about these marginal bullshit "issues" than anything else, mainly b/c they are small-minded busy-body prigs.

At any rate, I identify with Ron Paul's ideas even more than Obama's. I don't think that Obama gives a shit about drugs or gay marriage, but he can't come out and say it. Ron Paul can and does. So to say that 85% of the people who would've voted for Paul will automatically vote for Romney or whoever the repub candidate is is, I think, wrong. I think Paul splits right down the middle, and many of those "middle" people don't give a shit (and are frankly turned off by) about the daily same ol' same ol' divisive mudslinging bullshit that is more Jerry Springer than Walter Cronkite, which is why they're ignoring him. His constituency is decidedly not theirs. He's bad for business...
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Post by Owlman » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:44 pm

The real reason for voter ID laws:
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/signal/real ... 06178.html

In an effort to demonstrate that the specter of voting fraud in America is real, the conservative agitator James O'Keefe and his group Project Veritas recently sent a handful of people into a voting center during the New Hampshire primary to obtain ballots on behalf of dead registered voters. (You may remember O'Keefe as the guy who dressed as a "pimp" in an undercover ACORN sting, or who made so much trouble for NPR.) Several were successful, as a selectively edited video from Project Veritas spoon-fed to the Daily Caller demonstrates.
The trend throughout the United States is to enact new laws that will make photo IDs a prerequisite for participating in the democratic process. Proponents of voter ID laws use voting in lieu of dead people as the main example of fraud, while opponents point out that there is no evidence of widespread fraud and significant evidence that such laws make it more difficult for students and those in lower-income brackets to vote. Lawmakers in South Carolina used the accusation that 957 dead people voted in the "recent elections" as proof of the need for voter ID laws—a claim the New York Times' Andrew Rosenthal points out is very poorly supported. (The Justice Department has blocked the measure in South Carolina, so voters on Saturday will not need a photo ID to vote.)
But surely by accident, O'Keefe has actually given use some extremely valuable data about the cost-benefit of trying to vote on behalf of a cadaver. Of the handful of people O'Keefe sent into voting centers to vote as dead people, at least one was recognized as being an imposter. It is unclear how much trouble he or the rest of Project Veritas will end up in since they did not actually cast the ballots they obtained; TPM reports that merely obtaining the ballots fraudulently could violate federal law as well, even if no voting took place. Project Veritas refused to tell me how many people participated in their stunt, but I can be extremely conservative and say that voting for a dead person carries at least a 1 in 100 risk of being recognized and possibly ending up in legal trouble.
Based on the most conservative estimates, then, we can estimate that voter ID laws could disenfranchise between 10,000-500,000 eligible voters for every 1-100 blocked fraudulent votes. Here's how I get there:
It may seem like a government-issued photo ID isn't so much to ask to cast a vote—after all, you need one to drive, get on a plane, or have a beer. The fact is that many eligible voters do not have the right documents under new or proposed laws. The right-wing Heritage Foundation trumpets a paper that claims that only 1.2% registered voters lack valid a photo ID. That may seem low, but nearly 130 million votes were cast in the 2008 presidential election, so that would translate into roughly 1,560,000 voters. The Heritage Foundation's estimate is the lowest I could find. In 2007, the Georgia Secretary of State estimated 198,000 registered voters there did not have government issued photo IDs and in South Carolina, 200,000 registered voters do not have a photo ID that would be valid for voting under the proposed law, according to the state election commission. That translates into roughly 4-5 percent of voters for Georgia and 8-10 percent of voters for South Carolina, based on 2008 registration and vote totals.
Those eligible citizens who do not have a photo ID tend towards the more disenfranchised citizens: 25% of African-Americans have no photo ID, 15% of people earning less than $35,000 have no photo ID, and 18% of the elderly have no photo ID. This represents millions of citizens in each category. Such laws also penalize college students since many of these laws require in-state photo IDs, which prevents college students from voting at their college if they attend from out-of-state.
Voter ID laws do not stop people who have fraudulently registered as themselves. The vast majority of these cases are people who believed themselves to be eligible, notably felons that do not know they are ineligible to vote in a given state. States that bar felons, such as Florida, have traditionally been so vigilant in blocking felons that thousands of eligible voters have been inadvertently purged from the voter rolls in the state's fixation to ensure that felons do not vote. Nor would these laws stop non-citizens from voting as themselves. (Even so, investigations have found voting by non-citizens to be extremely rare; a study of 370,000 votes cast in Milwaukee from 1992-2000 showed 4 votes by non-citizens.)
The main voter fraud that photo IDs would stop, then, is that of a person voting in lieu of another registered voter; this is likely someone who has died, as it is otherwise hard to estimate when a live registered voter will not be voting. Again, studies have shown very few votes by dead people in recent election cycles; this study by the FBI showed that all 89 dead voters in a Maryland election died after they voted. Many other presumed dead voters are caused by clerical errors on death certificates.
Second, the type of voter fraud that voter ID laws could stop is extremely costly to the criminal if he or she is caught, as Veratis' stunt helps us to compute, which is probably why it is so rare.
The cost of impersonating a dead eligible voter is the penalty times the likelihood of being caught plus the fear of being caught (for those who are risk averse). Thus, for a United States citizen or a legal immigrant the cost is, at minimum, 1/100 of up to 5 years in prison plus $10,000.
The benefit of impersonating a dead voter, meanwhile, is one more vote for your chosen candidate. Florida's 2000 Electoral College vote was an anomaly; the average Electoral College vote over the last 10 cycles, 510 elections, was 247,848 votes, with just Florida and New Mexico in 2000 under 1,500.
So here's the question: if the most conservative estimates are correct and 10,000 eligible voters are disenfranchised so that 100 non-eligible votes can be stopped, do you think that that is a fair deal for democracy? What if the more mainstream estimates are true and the number is closer to 100,000 eligible voters being disenfranchised so that 10 fraudulent votes can be stopped? Whichever figures you use, the math comes out squarely against these controversial measures.
David Rothschild is an economist at Yahoo! Research. He has a Ph.D. in applied economics from the Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania. His dissertation is in creating aggregated forecasts from individual-level information. Follow him on Twitter @DavMicRot and email him at thesignal@yahoo-inc.com.
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Post by Jungle Rat » Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:18 pm

I think eCat is really going to like the girl I'm dating now.

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Post by aTm » Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:24 pm

Nice knowing ya, rat.
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Post by eCat » Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:30 pm

above the counter convection oven, granite counter tops, hardwood cabinets.

thats a nice kitchen
I like the stinky pinky but only up to the first knuckle, I do not want a GD thumb up there--I've told her multiple times and I always catch her when she tries to pull a fast one---it's my butthole for Chrissakes I'm gonna know--so cut out the BS.

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Post by Jungle Rat » Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:32 pm

She's very spunky.

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Post by eCat » Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:36 pm

SOPA is dead for now.

I'm sure it will be resurrected soon.

She looks like a fun gal Rat. How is her lasagna?
I like the stinky pinky but only up to the first knuckle, I do not want a GD thumb up there--I've told her multiple times and I always catch her when she tries to pull a fast one---it's my butthole for Chrissakes I'm gonna know--so cut out the BS.

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Post by eCat » Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:41 pm

"I’m tired of watching our country being torn to shreds by those who think the answer is more government debt and control. I’m tired of being in bondage to a tax system that robs U.S. citizens like the king of England did before the Revolution. I’m tired of watching our sovereignty being sold by foreign loans and loose borders. And I will not sit back and merely watch this decay and degradation of the U.S. and then hand it over to my children and grandchildren to deal with."

from that statement he arrives at Newt Gingrich?

good lord
I like the stinky pinky but only up to the first knuckle, I do not want a GD thumb up there--I've told her multiple times and I always catch her when she tries to pull a fast one---it's my butthole for Chrissakes I'm gonna know--so cut out the BS.

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Post by Jungle Rat » Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:10 pm

Heh, you know me well eCat. Very good. Shes a widow, that gun is actually her sons.

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Post by Toemeesleather » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:03 pm

You look at a guy like Mitt Romney or John Huntsman and I think its a valid question to ask

if it weren't for the infrastructure of this country, from the community they lived in ,the college they attended, the business environment made available to them (for their fathers mainly) - would they be where they are today?



Maybe it's just me, but I've never seen anyone muse the same re: a Michael Moore...Jesse Jackson...any Kennedy.
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Post by It's me Karen » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:51 pm

She looks like a fun gal Rat. How is her lasagna?[/quote]


lmao

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Post by Jungle Rat » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:17 pm

She refuses to make it.

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Post by aTm » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:33 pm

That's too bad.
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Post by AlabamAlum » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:43 pm

I've had her lasagna, rat. It's very good. Had a slight taste of Camay soap, though.
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Post by Jungle Rat » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:46 pm

No you haven't. She hates everything Alabama. You wouldnt stand a chance AA.

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Post by AlabamAlum » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:47 pm

Ahh, glad she can keep a secret. Nice cover story she came up with.
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Post by hedge » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:50 pm

"Maybe it's just me, but I've never seen anyone muse the same re: a Michael Moore...Jesse Jackson...any Kennedy."

Maybe that's because they're not always blabbering on about how they did everything themselves with no help from the rabble...

Speaking of rabble, I'm not sure how much mileage Newt is going to get out of characterizing Romney as an out-of-touch one percenter. He made over $3 million in income last year, according to his tax return. That puts him solidly in the 1%. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but I don't see how he's going to get much traction acting like he's some trailer trash flunky, even though he pretty much is...

FWIW, I hope Gingrich doesn't win, if only for the fact that I'd hate to have a president named Newt. Wasn't that the name of one of the dumber characters in Lonesome Dove?
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Post by AlabamAlum » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:55 pm

Are you thinking of changing your name to Newt? Somehow, now, it seems to fit you.
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