The Goat Pen

Speaking of Carter, here is a sad sidenote: Carter's nephew lives on the other side of our neighborhood and attends our church. He (nephew) has been diagnosed with Stage IV Pancreatic Cancer. Ironically, President Carter is the only person from his immediate family not to have developed pancreatic cancer. Both of the parents and each of the siblings have died from it.

With regards to Carter being the "worst" President: I think Carter was too good of a person for Americans, and he was a victim of circumstances. Americans do not know how to follow a servant style leader who leads by example. Americans want bravado. The GOP loves to tout their religiosity, but Carter was -- and is -- the President who most embodied the aspects of Christianity in his life and actions. Of course, that doesn't matter to the people who love carnival barkers, and if the rescue mission had turned out differently, there is a better than even chance Carter would have been re-elected.

Now, on to the important stuff: It's more and more obvious that the GOP is doing nothing but attempt to deflect for a corrupt administration WHILE KNOWING the administration was and is corrupt. I thought the administration was filled with incompetent imbeciles who were making mistakes because they were ignorant. Now, we know the administration knowingly violated the law.

If the GOP avoided social crusades and xenophobia and stuck to economics and a rational foreign policy, most people in my demographic (middle class young professionals/middle aged persons with graduate/professional degrees) would vote Republican.

I didn't say best or worst president, I said biggest crook...

Claiming victory in the War on Christmas, Trump now vows to fight the War on Thanksgiving...

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-wa ... 49f725ddb0

DooKSucks wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:37 am If the GOP avoided social crusades and xenophobia and stuck to economics and a rational foreign policy, most people in my demographic (middle class young professionals/middle aged persons with graduate/professional degrees) would vote Republican.

most of them do anyways - they have no desire to let Elizabeth Warren tax them into socialism

People dont like Presidents who are in office while the economy sucks.

hedge wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:31 am I didn't say best or worst president, I said biggest crook...

you can be a crook and be a good president ,they aren't mutually exclusive

Well I guess you're right about that, in a "they say Hitler was nice to his dogs" kinda way...

A strong case can be made that W was much worse than Carter. Both were fundamentally incompetent, but W’s incompetence got us into 2 middle eastern wars that that have cost us trillions of dollars, tens of thousands of lives, and we are STILL mired in them. Plus, Carter is the best ex-President we’ve ever had, by far. He is a superb human being.

BREAKING:

From the swastika waving, goose stepping New York Times:

They Voted Democratic. Now They Support Trump

Midterm victories in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin gave Democrats hope of retaking the Rust Belt battleground states that handed the presidency to Donald J. Trump in 2016.

Yet success in the midterms might not mean as much for Democratic presidential candidates as the party might think. Nearly two-thirds of voters in six battleground states who voted for President Trump in 2016 — but for Democratic congressional candidates in 2018 — say they intend to back the president against each of his top rivals, according to recent polling by The New York Times Upshot/Siena College.

Michael Townsend, 38, a high school-educated construction worker in Dunmore, Pa., was a lifelong Democrat — until he voted for Mr. Trump.

“In the last couple years, the Democrats had kind of been losing the work, and I thought Trump might get us that work,” he said. “And to be honest, I’ve been in construction 21 years and the last two years were the best years I’ve ever had.”

Danny Destival, 56, who runs a greenhouse supply business in Panama City, Fla., said he’s “been a Southern Democrat all my life.” But in 2016, he cast his first Republican vote because he liked that Mr. Trump was a businessman, not a politician — and he disliked Hillary Clinton.

His main priority is voting for “the person who’s going to get more done” — that’s why he stuck with the Democrats in the midterms — but at the national level, he said, the Democrats have disappointed him on that front.

“If you’re going to Washington, you need to do something,” he said. “If the only thing you’re going to do the whole time you’re there is try to get rid of the president, that’s a problem.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/election ... li=BBnb7Kz

Professor Tiger wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:59 pm
Danny Destival, 56, who runs a greenhouse supply business in Panama City, Fla., said he’s “been a Southern Democrat all my life.” But in 2016, he cast his first Republican vote because he liked that Mr. Trump was a businessman, not a politician — and he disliked Hillary Clinton.

His main priority is voting for “the person who’s going to get more done” — that’s why he stuck with the Democrats in the midterms — but at the national level, he said, the Democrats have disappointed him on that front.

“If you’re going to Washington, you need to do something,” he said. “If the only thing you’re going to do the whole time you’re there is try to get rid of the president, that’s a problem.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/election ... li=BBnb7Kz

........ and tens of million 'intelligent' voters feel the same way as Mr. Destival. #MAGA.

"Nearly two-thirds of voters in six battleground states who voted for President Trump in 2016 — but for Democratic congressional candidates in 2018 — say they intend to back the president against each of his top rivals"

So Trump won those states by a razor thin margin, and now he's lost 1/3 of the people who voted for him. Sounds like a recipe for a route...

DooKSucks wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:37 am If the GOP avoided social crusades and xenophobia and stuck to economics and a rational foreign policy, most people in my demographic (middle class young professionals/middle aged persons with graduate/professional degrees) would vote Republican.

Interesting. If the Dems resembled the party of FDR, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter and even Clinton (minus the sex addiction), I'd be very tempted to vote Democrat. In their heyday, the Dem's were strong defenders of the working class against the predations of big business, and strong realists in foreign policy. By contrast, all the Republicans cared about was staying rich and getting richer.

My, how times have changed. The Establishments of both parties are caricatures of their former selves.

PS: the only party that's in full scale social jihad right now is the Democrat party.

hedge wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:36 pm "Nearly two-thirds of voters in six battleground states who voted for President Trump in 2016 — but for Democratic congressional candidates in 2018 — say they intend to back the president against each of his top rivals"

So Trump won those states by a razor thin margin, and now he's lost 1/3 of the people who voted for him. Sounds like a recipe for a route...

I wouldn't say that given we don't know who his opponent is

Had the Democrats ran Biden instead of Hillary he probably wouldn't have won those

Now if the Democrats go with a progressive or a gun grabber those people that voted for Trump before will vote for him again.

^Correct.

That one third of Trump Democrats in the former Blue Wall states, who haven’t made up their minds yet about 2020, will have no problem making up their minds if the Dems nominate either Bernie or Warren.

Socialism, the Green New Deal (and all its attendant insanities), gun grabbing, legalized infanticide, suing Catholic nuns, medicare-for-all, open borders, free health care for illegal immigrants, anti-Semitism, and reparations, are only popular on large college campuses in the Midwest.

I really hope they don't nominate either. I want a younger President closer to my age than an old coot who has no idea and probably dementia like Trump.

"are only popular on large college campuses in the Midwest."

In the midwest? You mean like Nebraska and Iowa? I'm pretty sure you meant to say "in the northeast and west coast", but then again, you are a complete fucking idiot...

Never watch this clown but interesting that at one time he was a HUGE Trump fan and supporter. Hollywood and the corrupt media can make someone become two-faced as with this bozo.

According to an investigation by the New York Post and our sister station CBS2, New York City has been sending homeless families to North Carolina and offering to pay their rent for free as part of their SOTA program, and haven’t been notifying their new hometown."

^That’s a clever way to make NC blue again.

hedge wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:27 pm "are only popular on large college campuses in the Midwest."

In the midwest? You mean like Nebraska and Iowa? I'm pretty sure you meant to say "in the northeast and west coast", but then again, you are a complete fucking idiot...

Incorrect. For your enlightenment, here are some “large college campuses in the Midwest. I’m sure Bernie and Warren are wildly popular at all of them.

Ohio State (the largest campus in the US), enrollment 52,500

University of Minnesota (third largest campus in the US), enrollment 51,800

Michigan State (eighth largest campus in the US), enrollment 46,000.

University of Wisconsin (tenth largest campus in the US), enrollment 42,000.

Seems like a graduate of UNC would be aware of things like that...

None of those universities come to mind when I think of hotbeds of liberalism. Possibly Wisconsin, but not really...