The Goat Pen

Hard to imagine what'id be like if his ego was the size of the PAH.....


I still don't know how I lost.........

yea I'm not sure what Dobbs is angling for, maybe Secretary of State?

Fake News caught off air saying something truthful.....

ABC news tried to hide Clinton's involvement with Epstein....

Nut

this is worth reading

Strozak and Page colluded to alter Flynns interview notes which, along with Comey not following protocol for interviewing at the White House, ultimately led to Flynn being accused of lying.

There are FBI agents that should be in jail

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opin ... ew-summary

eCat wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:29 pm this is worth reading

Strozak and Page colluded to alter Flynns interview notes which, along with Comey not following protocol for interviewing at the White House, ultimately led to Flynn being accused of lying.

There are FBI agents that should be in jail

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opin ... ew-summary

It was worth reading. Powell is Flynn's attorney and made this charge a long time ago. "May have altered" is not the same as colluded to alter. She has zero proof that anything was materially changed to affect Flynn's conviction. If she could prove it the conviction would have been overturned. Edits could be trivial...taking out uhs or "I need to go to the can".
Should an FBI agent go to jail for using an ellipsis instead of typing out "Hey I need to take a leak"?

given the context of their documented behavior , they don't get the benefit of the doubt

proving anything against the FBI would be difficult at best, but a 25 year veteran is saying their actions are not consistent with standard procedures - across multiple hierarchies

you should be outraged at this kind of behavior but since its against Trump you defend it.

Of course, some ellipses are more important than others, as the Ukraine transcripts have proven.

And hey
BREAKING
Wall Street Journal - Diplomat Sondland Told Ukrainians Held-Up Aid Was Tied to Investigations
In revised testimony, envoy is latest impeachment witness to link assistance to Trump’s political wishes

read that and tell me how it ties Sonland directly to Trump

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... ar-AAJTPJr

I think Trump did tie aid to the investigation and is /should be unapologetic for it

This is a "A Few Good Men" moment where Trump is Nicholson on the stand "You damn right I tied aid to the investigation!"

The outrage should be about Biden's son getting millions of dollars from his fathers influence and his father meddling in an investigation that could implicate his son

but again, no one cares....the end justifies the means.

"you should be outraged at this kind of behavior but since its against Trump you defend it."

That's probably true, but only in exact equal measure to how "you should be outraged at this kind of behavior but since its Trump who did it, you defend it" is true of many Trump supporters...

"This is a "A Few Good Men" moment where Trump is Nicholson on the stand "You damn right I tied aid to the investigation!""

That didn't turn out too well for Nicholson, nor, I suspect, is it going to for Trump...

coming soon
"Sondland? I don't know anything about that guy." LOL

hedge wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:18 pm "you should be outraged at this kind of behavior but since its against Trump you defend it."

That's probably true, but only in exact equal measure to how "you should be outraged at this kind of behavior but since its Trump who did it, you defend it" is true of many Trump supporters...

except the whole claiming of moral high ground thing, yes

hedge wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:20 pm "This is a "A Few Good Men" moment where Trump is Nicholson on the stand "You damn right I tied aid to the investigation!""

That didn't turn out too well for Nicholson, nor, I suspect, is it going to for Trump...

Nicholson went to jail

for Trump , this will galvanize his base

The thing about the money shot moment that Trump supporters live for (where Trump is Nicholson on the stand "You damn right I tied aid to the investigation!") is that, if he really thought that, why did he spend a couple of weeks lying his ass off about it, repeating "no quid pro quo!!" about a thousand times? Every time he gets exposed, he moves the goal posts. "No quid pro quo!! What's that? You now have indisputable evidence that there was a quid pro quo? Well, what's wrong with getting something in return for military aid?? You damn right I tied aid to the investigation!!"

"except the whole claiming of moral high ground thing, yes"

Well that's just the same thing as saying "I know he's wrong but I don't give a shit. I hate all these liberals so much that I'll stand behind Trump no matter what he does just to watch them squirm." Hey, I'm glad you're admitting there's no morality whatsoever to that position, but I don't think that makes it OK. Quite the contrary, actually. I think I'd rather be accused of hypocrisy than moral turpitude. Well, in this case, anyway...

Nicholson lied about it for 90% of the movie, erased flight logs, created false documents and intimidated potential witnesses

This isn't so much Trumps arrogance, this is Trumps ignorance. He , liked probably 80% of America, thought it was perfectly OK to tell a country to investigate someone who is doing something wrong there or we aren't going to give you money. How is that different than telling Mexico no money unless you crack down on drug cartels smuggling into America or India in regards to water pollution?

hedge wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:33 pm "except the whole claiming of moral high ground thing, yes"

Well that's just the same thing as saying "I know he's wrong but I don't give a shit. I hate all these liberals so much that I'll stand behind Trump no matter what he does just to watch them squirm." Hey, I'm glad you're admitting there's no morality whatsoever to that position, but I don't think that makes it OK. Quite the contrary, actually. I think I'd rather be accused of hypocrisy than moral turpitude. Well, in this case, anyway...

you totally went the wrong way on that one