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Johnette's Daddy wrote:Ku Klux Klan Will Rally in North Carolina to Celebrate Trump's Victory
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Johnette's Daddy wrote:Ku Klux Klan Will Rally in North Carolina to Celebrate Trump's Victory
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Was that the Klan setting fires and destroying cars and property in Portland last night?

I do not support taunting chants of "build that wall" to Hispanics, first because it is wrong, and second because it makes life-long enemies for no reason. But I would like to take this moment to point out to my liberal friends: now you know how it has felt to be a conservative for the past 30 years. If you say in public, "I am pro-life," some liberal snowflake screams "You are a sexist!" to shut you up. If you say, "Because of my religious beliefs, I don't believe in gay marriage" some liberal yells "You are a homophobe!" and the conversation stops. If you say "All lives matter" a progressive rails against you. Sometimes you even wind up in HR and taking sensitivity classes.

30 years of being called racist, sexist, homophobe for simply disagreeing with liberal dogma is just as offensive to conservatives as chants of "build that wall" are to Hispanics. Just realize that all those times you shut down all debate with words like "racist" and "sexist" and "homophobe," you never convinced anybody. The days when those words scare conservatives away like scalded cats are coming to an end.

"This kind of thing is plain old mean now, and suicidal for Republicans in the long run."

There is a very rich vein of plain old mean in this country as indeed in the heart of mankind generally. Trump tapped into that mother lode and it got him the presidency, why would you think he'd cap the well now? Let it flow...

For the record, and sadly, I don't recall any time in here that you or any of your gang being called racists and homophobes ever shut you up. Indeed, such talk always seemed to add fuel to your fire. I understand that as a christian you have a pathological need to present yourself as persecuted, but don't think that anybody else is buying the lie that you or anyone like you ever felt anything but emboldened and even justified in response to it. Certainly your sad-sack "look how badly we were beaten down" routine is fooling precisely no one, no more so than any of your other typical hypocrisies. You may want to believe (and maybe you really do) that you are the equivalent of a holocaust survivor, but quit asking anyone else to believe it. You're pathetic enough as it is, there's no need to invent fantasies about why you should be pitied even more...

Stop it! You are invading my safe space! You didn't even give me a trigger warning! I must now flee to my therapist because of your verbal genocide! I'm reporting you to the moderators!

You're even a hypocrite when it comes to sarcasm, b/c that's exactly how you presented yourself in the post previous to that last one, i.e., all beaten down and demoralized b/c of the persecution you ostensibly received (30 years worth!) from all those "liberals" out there...

Maybe we just want to get in on the Age of Victimology spoils. We conservatives are victims and demand reparations!

To start, we demand a Traditional Christianity program at the University of North Carolina. It will have a large tenured faculty, who got their doctorates from Liberty University. One course from this program will be required for all entering freshmen. Minors in Second Amendment studies and Pro-Life studies are also available.

Beginning the Fall of 2017. Make it happen or we will start rioting.

There is a very rich vein of plain old mean in this country as indeed in the heart of mankind generally. Trump tapped into that mother lode and it got him the presidency


Ignert horse sh!t.....Trump, or better, the Obammer economy, changed the votes of thousands of white/brown folks in Pa, Ohio, Wisky, Mich and Fla....who voted for Obammer in '08 and '12. Hillary offered nothing to them except calling them deplorable..... Hardly a racist crowd.


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We're all gonna die.

You first!

"For once, the rich white man is in control"

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Michael Moore has always been alt-right. Everybody knows that.

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Toemeesleather wrote:There is a very rich vein of plain old mean in this country as indeed in the heart of mankind generally. Trump tapped into that mother lode and it got him the presidency


Ignert horse sh!t.....Trump, or better, the Obammer economy, changed the votes of thousands of white/brown folks in Pa, Ohio, Wisky, Mich and Fla....who voted for Obammer in '08 and '12. Hillary offered nothing to them except calling them deplorable..... Hardly a racist crowd.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

That's the edge - a few hundred thousand voters in strategic places.

Trump received somewhere around 60.4 million votes. That's 500K less than Romney and 500K more than McCain. Trump didn't move a wave of voters,

The bigger issue is that Obama got 69+ million in 2008 and 66 million in 2012, but Hillary only got 61 million - where did those people go? They didn't go to Trump. 4 million more went to 3rd party candidates than in the past, but this story that no one is covering is that FIVE MILLION LESS PEOPLE VOTED IN 2016 THAN IN THE PREVIOUS 2 ELECTIONS. That is a yuuuuuge chunk in an election where 125K voters would've tipped the balance. Moreover, one would've expected record turnout in an election where the choices were so clear.

Voter suppression worked. Not just by denying the right to vote, but by uglying up the rhetoric to the point where 3% of the active electorate stayed home.

All true. Hillary's voters didn't show up. She REALLY lost support from millenials compared to 2012.

My question is this: how many of those missing Hillary voters (especially millennials) were pissed off Bernie supporters?

Perhaps a lot, but the main point stands: A huge number of people who voted for Obama simply didn't come out to vote for Hillary. That pool of very likely democratic-leaning voters is still out there. The dems just need to get a candidate out there to motivate them. Maybe Bernie could've done that, maybe Biden could have as well. But I think you can be pretty damn sure they're going to find somebody in 2020 that can. Of course, it's possible that the pool of repub voters hasn't been tapped out completely yet, but they had a galvanizing candidate this year who got at least some voters who voted for Obama in 2012 and he still didn't get as many votes as Romney did. I know dems are pissed and disappointed, but I don't think they need to panic. There's a big pool of voters out there who are ready to vote for the dem candidate if they get the right one, whereas the repubs seem like they're pretty maxed out...

Johnette's Daddy wrote:

Toemeesleather wrote:There is a very rich vein of plain old mean in this country as indeed in the heart of mankind generally. Trump tapped into that mother lode and it got him the presidency


Ignert horse sh!t.....Trump, or better, the Obammer economy, changed the votes of thousands of white/brown folks in Pa, Ohio, Wisky, Mich and Fla....who voted for Obammer in '08 and '12. Hillary offered nothing to them except calling them deplorable..... Hardly a racist crowd.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

That's the edge - a few hundred thousand voters in strategic places.

Trump received somewhere around 60.4 million votes. That's 500K less than Romney and 500K more than McCain. Trump didn't move a wave of voters,

The bigger issue is that Obama got 69+ million in 2008 and 66 million in 2012, but Hillary only got 61 million - where did those people go? They didn't go to Trump. 4 million more went to 3rd party candidates than in the past, but this story that no one is covering is that FIVE MILLION LESS PEOPLE VOTED IN 2016 THAN IN THE PREVIOUS 2 ELECTIONS. That is a yuuuuuge chunk in an election where 125K voters would've tipped the balance. Moreover, one would've expected record turnout in an election where the choices were so clear.

Voter suppression worked. Not just by denying the right to vote, but by uglying up the rhetoric to the point where 3% of the active electorate stayed home.

Well, that settles it. Hillary should be inaugurated.

hedge wrote:Perhaps a lot, but the main point stands: A huge number of people who voted for Obama simply didn't come out to vote for Hillary. That pool of very likely democratic-leaning voters is still out there. The dems just need to get a candidate out there to motivate them. Maybe Bernie could've done that, maybe Biden could have as well. But I think you can be pretty damn sure they're going to find somebody in 2020 that can. Of course, it's possible that the pool of repub voters hasn't been tapped out completely yet, but they had a galvanizing candidate this year who got at least some voters who voted for Obama in 2012 and he still didn't get as many votes as Romney did. I know dems are pissed and disappointed, but I don't think they need to panic. There's a big pool of voters out there who are ready to vote for the dem candidate if they get the right one, whereas the repubs seem like they're pretty maxed out...

I agree that the Dem's future is still pretty bright. They don't have much of a bench, but recent history says that the nominee was often a nobody at the beginning of the primaries. Bernie's too old. They need somebody with a little charisma, which Hillary sorely lacked. Warren was a formidable figure in 2016, and would be my front runner in 2020. All they need to do is get their original blue collar base in the Rust Belt back and they should be back in business.

The R's have probably achieved 103% of the angry poor white male vote. The Trump vote may prove to be a supernova, that then collapses into a black hole.

("I wish you would become a black hole.")